BrushLESS

[Dan]

:o :o :o ;D ;D ;D ;D :) :) :) :)

NO brushes
NO springs
NO (well very little) maintenance
NO comm lathe
NO fall of in motor performance

YES longer run times!

[Dan]

Well people the hobby is changing....for the better for our wallets!!! :P

A handful of people (including myself) have managed to get our hands on the new Novak Super Sport brushless system! IT IS AWESOME!

Now before I rant on I just want to point out that it is not only people who can afford it that will get these systems as in the long run it is a HELL OF A LOT cheaper.

Imagine, just charge your cells and race, no worries about whether your timing is right or your brushes are worn or your comm is in a bad state.just whack in the batteries and go.....with the same performance every time!!

I can't expect people to go out and buy one but if any of you were thinking of spending money on:

a) New speedo
b) New motor
c) Comm Lathe
d) Devilishly good cells

THEN DON'T!!

I have talked at length with Dom, Les & Mark about this and if enough people want to and purchase these systems eventually we could start a new class, which will be much cheaper in the long run!

How much I hear you ask? Well, you know that speedo you were looking at - it will more than likely cost less and you get the motor too! Me, Mark & Les will all have our systems at the July 13th meet for all you curious folk so give us a shout and we'll tell you more.

You know it makes sense!

In the meantime what are peoples views on an open modified heat where fast mods and brushless run together? These brushless systems are about the speed of a 12 double, but we are still testing with gear ratios at the moment as the characteristics are stupidly different to brushed motors.

Dan :)

[QM]

Your are right about brushless, the serious flying fraternity have long moved over to this type, for all the reasons you state ;D It was only a matter of time before the car world moves as well, so all that remains is the BRCA ;D

[Mark_dsv]

Hi everyone,

Dan is absolutely right ! The brushless system is absolutely awsome to run. It's very fast and efficient equivalent to a 10-12x2 good modified motor. Not as fast as my trinity D5 flatliner 9x1 but at least with the brushless you don't have to refurbish you motor every 4-5 runs at a cost of £££ ! The brushless may not have the straight line speed of a 9x1 double but the torque is incredable ! Much more than a good modified motor, the brushless is like a rocket on the track, out accellerating the modifieds with ease !

I have the brushless system (3005) now for over 1x month and have been practicing for maybe 350-400 laps at the Stonehaven track. Took a wee while to get the gearing right but once set up it's very good especially knowing that you don't have to take you motor apart after a couple of races run. And all the uncertainty of you motor not running like it was before. It's now the car that has to be replaced, hi hi. My Yokomo SD SSG chassis is still standing but has lots a couple of millimeters of carbon. Just got my second yokomo through in the post so no worries of being left without a Yokomo to run.

If you want any more data about the system please do not hesitate to contact me. I am (uuuh we) going on holiday to the USA mid August let me know if I can do anything !!

Cheers,

Mark

[Dan]

4 of the guys at the club now have the Novak Brushless system and I thought i'd get people's opinions on:

a) Running them with normal modified - we would have no chance against a 12 turn brushed in all fairness, all I say is wait until you see the brushless perform before jumping to conclusions about this.

or

b) Running a separate heat for brushless. So myself, Mark, Les and Martin (and anyone else who gets one?) can have a 'spec' style race as the motor and speedo's will be identical.

We would no doubt be the minority?

Just a thought..................suggestions???? 8)

[Bt]

I think your trying to pull a fast one on us Dan as both you and Mark reckon they are about the same speed maybe slightly faster than a 12, then in your last post your saying the 12 would win... you think were all mugs or somethin :P

Personally i'd say you guys should have your own heat as not to interfere with the modified class although people would only get a real feel for the speed of the brushless systems if they were racing head to head with a modified.

Maybe you guys could run in your own class and we could organise a comparisson race/few laps during the practice between one of the top modified's car and a brushless system. Or if you ran in our heats your time's qualified you for your own final as not to interefere with the modified finals.

[Dan]

True Brian...I think we got a bit carried away and excited when we first got the system but now we've all run them for a while during practice I would say they're around the same as a poor 12 or a decent 13 turn wind...will let you decide next meeting.

Good ideas though! Keep em coming!

Dan 8)

[Mike Haswell]

When Graham Creasey ran his during practice at the Reedy Race, it gave a good idea as to how it performed against the 12turn mods. At Halifax, a large track like Stonehaven, it lacked the ultimate topend of a top spec 12t. It was very smooth and had a nice feel to it. At club level you could quite easily let them run against the mods, they do that at Barham.

[sdrcc]

That seems like a very good idea.

They are close, but not an advantage, except in cost.

They are faster than 19 Turn, slower than Open Modified (12-9 turn, etc) motors, and run very comfortably in that class.

I don't imagine there is a problem running Modified and Brushless together, the issue might be if they compete for the same championship.

I think I'll propose the following issues at the AGM.

1) Brushless runners run in same heats as modified, running in the same class, for the same championship.

2) Brushless run in same heats as modified, but like GT, the different classes compete for a different championship

3) Brushless run in different heats, like 19 Turn, with their own championship.

Please feel free to debate these here, but remember you will need to attend the AGM to vote.

Details of proposals and date and venue, will be in the next newsletter, published on the website before the next Meeting (October 12th).

Members note: Please feel free to submit proposals, with names of seconders via regular mail or email. Address on website.

[SMTCA Focal Point]

Dom

There have been requests to allow drivers to run brushless in the SMTCA series. While the reps have so far said no for 2004, I would be keen to be in a position to reconsider that for 2005. The issue I have for now is how do we regulate brushless motors.

I would suggest that if Stonehaven adopt brushless motors for 2004 the SMTCA may adopt them in 2005 using the Stonehaven regulations as a template. In the interest of the hobby in general and also to encourage cross club participation if the same format was used, this can only be a good thing.

I await the outcome of your AGM and your comments on the brushless issue....

[sdrcc]

Personally, I would like to see Brushless run with Modified.

The speed difference is negligible, but it is in the favour of proper modified, so there shouldn't be an issue - the advantage still lies with the committed competitive racer.

But Brushless gives people on a restricted budget or with a limited technological capability, to just enjoy plugging in and going.

It gives Beginners and Intermediate drivers access to at least run at the highest speeds, and it doesn't require years of experience, or "learned friends" to get the most from motors, speedos and probably batteries.

It makes the top level of racing much more accessible, and should only encourage people to eventually upgrade their cars to a new competition speedo and motor, and then start to really compete, once they've learnt how to drive.

The club is currently looking at ways of obtaining support from the manufacturers, to reduce the outlay costs, and to remove the need to upgrade between manufacturers, when improvements come out.

Maybe that's the direction SMTCA should look at - it's a way of reducing any spiralling costs of competitive improvements, as well as setting regulations.

More news as we get it.

[Dan]

I totally agree ;D

Anybody welcome to have a go of my brushless at next meeting

£10 per lap ;) ha ha. No but seriously, if you want a shot then just ask.

[Martin G]

Gents,

As I'm not in the title running (nowhere near it in fact), and that I now have a reasonable handle of both the track and my Losi, would there be any obgections to me running the brushless system at the final meet, if I get it in time (should have it next week, I hope)?

This would allow the curious/interested/questioning to see how it compares with the mods in the track.

What's yer thoughts??

Martin.

[sdrcc]

if anyone wants to run a brushless system on October 12th, they'll be included in the Modified Heats.

Their positions will NOT have an effect on the championship, as they will have to forfeit the result due to (currently) illegal equipment.

Let the Race Director know in the morning, that you are planning to run a Brushless (even if just one heat). Then we can check your car all day, and disqualify only times achieved with the Brushless system.

You don't have to run it all day, but you must tell us before the meeting starts.

Otherwise, you may be disqualified from the whole meeting.
It's imperative that no cause or effect is placed on the Championship contenders.

[Martin G]

That no probs Dom.

My 10th place is consolodated (which I am happy about for my fist season in) so I will happily run my brushless, if I have it.

I will declare this at the check in on the day of the race.

See you on the 12th

Cheers

Martin..

[Paul_L]

Personally I cant see any problem with running them in with modifieds as the modified class is fully open allowing anyone to use any motor wind they wish (legal of course).

Even for this season the effect of one round wont make much difference, providing Arthur turns up and finnishes in the A its accademic.

Unfortunately having just replaced both our speed controllers I cant see us being able to convince the finacial controller for another two controllers. ::)

Paul

[Martin G]

Simple questions to the already brushless amongst us, and poss. Dan more so.

XXX-S, what are you geared to? The Novak manual points towards a 23 pinion & 88 spur. Correct?

Cheers

Martin

[Dan]

Martin,

Me & Mark have played around with ratio's quite a lot with the brushless. I personally run 29/90 which comes out at 5.67 I think :-

It has a thermal cutout so I may go lower but it seems fast enough now....not sure what Mark is currently running at but I know Les is running close to 5 and it still doesn't cut out.....will need to test on Sunday.

Cheers. 8)