supercharger for speed passion

[xrayal]

i used the latest hobbywing 422 software on my speedpassion gt2.0 at wlrc on bank holiday monday and it was brilliant. quicker than tekin and gm (in the b final ) and only 1.5 seconds a lap off of the top a final boys. and thats more to do with my ability! im not allowed to post links etc, so any info please pm me and ill do what i can.

[G-Kenny]

I guy at our club has the new HW 422 software, the car looked very fast, it lacked some midrange and lower end torque compared to the GM's at our track but i was impressed with it.

[xrayal]

its all about the settings. the pdf which tells you what does what is exellent. and please remember that this is still beta software and not a finished product. also if you update your lcd box (hw or sp) to the 422, you are able to use the lcd box to change all settings 1-15, whereas before you needed to use the led box to do 11-15, and it will still work with sp firmware as well.
speed passion are working on their version of 422, which is supposed to be better than hw422.............
also hw xerun speedos are half the price of sp, which in turn are cheaper than gm/tekin, so if your a buget racer like myself, a bit slower can make you faster round the track, especially if its a technical layout...................
i run sp gt2.0pro with sp13.5 ultrasportsman and when im against drivers of the same ability, theres nothing in it.im sure tekin are going to bring out a new update soon, where it will end i dont know, how fast can you make 13.5/10.5 go without blowing your motor, or keeping up/beating mod?

[xrayal]

ok settings for 422. tight/technical indoor on carpet. sp gt2.0 pro, sp13.5 ultrasportsman feigro v1, interlect ip 5000/35c, cyclone wce, fdr 7.921, motor temp after 5.5min 65degrees
1-1
2-1
3-3
4-9
5-4
6-1
7-2
8-1
9-8
10-1
11
12-9
13-2
14-3
15-2
no faults. exellent rip, stunning acceleration/top end. 3rd in the A. beating tekins and gms. cant see how it can be improved.
downloaded the cirtix interface, love the look of the rev counter style dials. is that going to be the only difference between hw and sp?

[Olly]

The new Speed Passion Software is now available from their website...

[Dan]

The new Speed Passion Software is now available from their website...

Is this the same as the Hobbywing 100422STOCK software? If better then what is different, does anyone know?

[xrayal]

the sc boost rpm values are the only difference. hw are between 3000 and 15000 sp 4000 to 12000. otherthan that they are exactly the same. if you want me to pm you more details please let me know as im not allowed to post links on here.

[sdrcc]

So not really worth changing for then..?

Regards, George

[xrayal]

the only reason i can think of is warranty. if your speedo blows up with hw software ( if its possible to check it when blown) then sp might tell you to go somewhere else! if youve got sp software from theyre website then no probs? but with hw speedos being cheaper than sp ( well known auction sites nib almost half the price ) for the exact same speedo...................
also i dont want this thread to turn into a sp is not hw vice versa etc etc. im not slagging off anybodys product. personally i use sp motors and speedos and had no problems, no blown motors and performance has never failed. but if your racing on a budget, gm/tekin performance is available at a fraction of the cost.
sp put a lot more time into testing the new software than hw did, probably why the sc boost levels are different, maybe its a safety net.
either way, if i can help i will via pm for links etc to all the info you need, or come and see me at race control at hrcc in ware on a friday night, as per the norm any comments/insults welcome.
ps. there are a couple of us running the new software, and we now have a v.good understanding of how it works. like i said any Q/A let me know and ill do my best to help.also please note im not sponsered by any motor/speedo manufacturer so all info is based on our findings on our track. although sponsership would be nice!!!!!!!!

[reuben_manning]

Ran the SP/HW esc today with the supercharger for the 2nd round of the SLCC (at West London).

13.5 Qualified and Finished 5th.
My settings on the ESC for anyone looking to try it there:
FDR: 6.4
DRRS: 8
ATMS (Boost Timing): 7
Turbo Boost (12): 8
RPM Delay (13): 7000rpm
Open Throttle Delay (14): 0.4s
Super Charger Punch (15): -1

for quick reference:
4: 7
9: 7
12: 8
13: 4
14: 5
15: 2

HTH

[xrayal]

what temperature did you finish up at? and what motor? at the memorial i was down to fdr of 5.9-6.1. temp around 55degrees.amts drrs and boost all max, rpm delay 5000,throttle delay at .03s otherwise same as yours.

running speed passion v1 13.5. it still has loads more.
indoors at hrcc ive been turning the supercharger down and its geting quicker. im at level 5 and still going down/getting quicker. its almost like going down a pinion or two.

[reuben_manning]

motor was coming off about 72 degrees. We ran the Kerswell layout, not the GP one.

I found putting all things to max just made the motor hotter (like 85C) and slower. But I agree that to much supercharger makes the motor bog down (especially putting it in to quickly using setting 15).

I was using a Duo2 13.5 with 0 degrees timing, this motor is quite revy and likes to have a smaller pinion than most - which is why my FDR is mayb different

[xrayal]

setting 15 is for punch before the supercharger comes in, 12 is total boost, 13 works with 14 as to when it comes in. 15 is the biggest and quickest way to heat up.
the pdf of settings that you can download at hobbywings site along with the software is fantastic. the speed passion version is a little confusing. seeing as they are both the same software, it all makes sense which way to go with your settings when you read through hobbywings version. hope this helps. also if you update your LCD box, you can use it to change all 15 settings, you have to press ok everytime you make a change, unlike the LED box. also you can have 3 profiles on it, one for gp, one kerswell and one for uncle sam! look at the layout, click, done, nice, bacon or sausage?
please let me know how you get on with it. cheers al.
ps i run the speed passion ultrasportsman 13.5 v.1 this is said to hae 10 degrees built into it............. if you can, why not come upto ware to hrcc on a friday night, real friendly club, great track, and theres a bar to!!!!!!!!!!

[xrayal]

ok, so a few people are now using the speedpassion and hobbywing speedos to find they are as quick as gms and tekins. please help with your settings/motor/cells/fdr etc on whatever track you race at, on this site to help everyone out, rather than having to go to other forums. cheers al.

[Bonny85]

Hi

I was using the hobbywing 120a with 518 software at the last stcc at west london, managed to finish 5th overall with it, the car was not quicker than the tekin powered cars, but on a par with them, so what more do you want...any way my set up was as follows (at least the one i felt was the quickest, i fiddled all day);

Motor - GM 13.5 (6.33 gearing)
drag brake - 0
DRRS - 7
ESC Timing - 18deg
Turbo - 6 deg
turbo delay - 0.4s
timing punch - setting 4

[xrayal]

5th overall, you must have had a gm or tekin behind you! goes to show hw are getting better and better. and once youve found the sweet spot, no more fiddling, podium.

[hashiriya]

I've just got myself the gt2.1 prostock and I was very impressed with the performance of the speedo, I do have one question though which has got me confused.

I had on a couple of occasions the case where the car sudenly slowed down, sensing a problem, I pulled off the track and the green light was flashing (I think this is for ESC thermal protection as it was a single green light flash every second or so) I could switch it off and back on again and it would work fine for the remainder of the race.

The second time it happened I suspected it could be a heat issue and so I took a temp gun to the heat sink of the speedo and it measured about 45° and the motor was at about 65° so I can't see how the speedo owuld have reached the 95° that it would need for it to go into thermal cutoff mode.

I don't have all my settings to hand but I know the supercharger settings arnt the ones affecting it as I turned it off for the final run and it still slowed down with the same flash.

I guess my real question is: I hear about many factors which generates heat in the motor but what settings can help keep the speedo temps down? My motor is not getting too hot so I thought the settings would be mostly ok. Is it a case of gearing up a bit and turning the settings down on the ESC? In fact I hadn't thought about it but might there be an issue where the speedo is falsly detecting a higher temperature than is present?

Any help would be much appreciated.

Maz

[mark barord]

Looking into this hobbywing stuff, which programming card do I need? I am assuming the LCD one, which is the newer, more expensive one?

[xrayal]

Looking into this hobbywing stuff, which programming card do I need? I am assuming the LCD one, which is the newer, more expensive one?

the lcd box is what you need to put the latest software on your speedo. once its on you can use the led box to change the settings. if your speedo came with the led box get a mate to load the software on, meet up with me on a friday at hrcc and ill do it for you, or on a well known auction site if you look hard enough you can get the led delivered for less than £20...........

[xrayal]

I've just got myself the gt2.1 prostock and I was very impressed with the performance of the speedo, I do have one question though which has got me confused.

I had on a couple of occasions the case where the car sudenly slowed down, sensing a problem, I pulled off the track and the green light was flashing (I think this is for ESC thermal protection as it was a single green light flash every second or so) I could switch it off and back on again and it would work fine for the remainder of the race.

The second time it happened I suspected it could be a heat issue and so I took a temp gun to the heat sink of the speedo and it measured about 45° and the motor was at about 65° so I can't see how the speedo owuld have reached the 95° that it would need for it to go into thermal cutoff mode.

I don't have all my settings to hand but I know the supercharger settings arnt the ones affecting it as I turned it off for the final run and it still slowed down with the same flash.

I guess my real question is: I hear about many factors which generates heat in the motor but what settings can help keep the speedo temps down? My motor is not getting too hot so I thought the settings would be mostly ok. Is it a case of gearing up a bit and turning the settings down on the ESC? In fact I hadn't thought about it but might there be an issue where the speedo is falsly detecting a higher temperature than is present?

Any help would be much appreciated.

Maz
does it say anything in the manual as to what a flashing green is? what firmware is on your speedo? make sure that if your using 518/528 stock, your running a stock motor and vise versa for 518/528mod. how are your lipos? what is the voltage cut off set at? check the sensor board on the motor, maybe shim the rotor closer to the sensor board and try a couple of different leads (one of our club members had a sensor lead working intermitently. fine for 3 or 4 heats then nothing. this went on for ages till he changed it), try a different motor?

hopefully something above you havnt tried/thought of? let us know how you get on.

[hashiriya]

does it say anything in the manual as to what a flashing green is? what firmware is on your speedo? make sure that if your using 518/528 stock, your running a stock motor and vise versa for 518/528mod. how are your lipos? what is the voltage cut off set at? check the sensor board on the motor, maybe shim the rotor closer to the sensor board and try a couple of different leads (one of our club members had a sensor lead working intermitently. fine for 3 or 4 heats then nothing. this went on for ages till he changed it), try a different motor?

hopefully something above you havnt tried/thought of? let us know how you get on.

I managed to diagnose it and it was a faulty sensor wire. The flashing light was an indication that the speedo started in sensored mode but had to switch to sensorless mode.

With a new wire in place I hope to get a bit more consistency out of the speedo and am looking forward to seeing what it can do

thanks for your help.

[Hobbywing UK]

Hi all, I will attempt to post some help / advise for the setting up and use of the Hobbywing XERUN series ESC's on here, as for the XTREME STOCK there are currently no importers for this unit into the UK however this may change in the very near future. We are working on an information / contact website for UK /European owners and as soon as we have news on the possibility of us importing the new series of ESC's we will let you know.

In the interim I can try to answer as many questions as possible as to the actual running of these ESC's but please be aware we ARE NOT the Wareranty point of contact for ESC's bought from Hong Kong etc.

Later today I shall add some content to help / allow owners to share their findings with the wider community. Watch this space for forthcoming news on the new equipment coming on stream.

[xrayal]

as far as i know there is a guy in australia who is shipping them world wide at the moment?