Orion revolutions

[joshua723]

What do people think of them and also has anyone got any tips on how to make them go better. I also was wondering if peoiple had any tips on using sprint brushes with them.

[Chrislong]

So far I have only used the Peak Vantage 10x2 motor, haven't needed to change anything. Skimmed after 5 to 6 runs in 4wd off-road.

Only comment, is when stripping down make sure the brushes are pulled up into the hoods using the wires in the cutouts to hold them up. And make sure the springs are in the hoods when putting together, as these have popped out for me while rebuilding a few times - they only have a small lip to sit against.

Chris

[TimG]

The best thing to do with them is to run them as standard, out of the packet motors, a few times. You should feel them get a little quicker, up until around 6 or 7 runs. Now cut the comm BUT leave the brushes in, as they have already bedded in. (unless they have discoloured due to too much heat)

I have tried sprint brushes and different springs and cannot really tell the difference.

For more info on this, please read the big Peak Vantage thread that I started a while ago. Phillipe Neidhart has posted in it, he is a Peak guru and works for them funnily enough. Go with his advice and you will not go wrong.

Just adding the URL for you: http://www.rcracechat.com/forum/index.php?board=8;action=display;threadid=5157

[Mark Stiles]

I've got a peak vantage 10x1 in a 1/12th car.

I have found that changing the gearing makes little difference, suggesting that their power band is huge! They just like to rev and rev! ;D

[al]

What do people think of them and also has anyone got any tips on how to make them go better. I also was wondering if peoiple had any tips on using sprint brushes with them.


been the official superstar and team driver i would think you would know this information - muhahaha :)

[joshua723]

Superclass

[cobra81li200]

Muhuuhuhuhuhuhahahhaahahahaha

[al]

only a "bit" class,

[Remote_Racer_Jeffs]

great motors

[al]

yea they are good, havent quite worked out the how to change the springs though

[Chrislong]

Al,
You've got to take the brushes out, I prefer unsoldering them and taking them out from inside the endbell, then with some gentle encouragement the springs will come out the same way.

Putting back in, push them in from the outside (as they are tappered this is easier) and gently with a small screwdriver or allen wrench push them down to the locators in the hood.

I have had the spring come away from locators and pop out the outside of the endbell, then the brush fell out too, and they all went back in the same way with no problems and no damage. Wasn't my motor though so don't know how it happened, it was somebodies which I maintain.

Chris

[Sam_Smith]

The armature stack size can be determined by measuring the spalt size between the poles. For a 3.5mm stack this is ~3.2mm, for the 4mm stack ~3.7mm and for the 4.5mm stack ~4.2mm.

In general
- 3.5mm stack gives most rpm, lowest torque and least efficiency
- 4.0mm stack is a balance between the 3.5 and 4.5
- 4.5mm stack gives least rpm, most torque and most efficiency

A different way of looking at it:
To get same power and rpm as a 10 turn on a 3.5mm stack you need to choose a 9 turn on 4mm and 8 turn on 4.5mm stack.
Or, with a 12 turn example: a 14 turn 3.5mm will have same rpm/power as 13 turn on 4mm stack or 12 turn at 4.5mm stack.

Now, with 10/12 turn motor limits another problem comes in, this is wire lenght. The shorter, the better (less resistance = more power) and we sacrifice efficiency as the batteries are so good/less a problem to make runtime. So, we choose 3.5mm or 4mm stack for touring cars with motor limits.

Advice:
Buy for Touring cars always the V2 touring car version (black endbell) till 9 turns. Under 9 turns choose the modified version.
For all other applications like off road as well 1/12th the V2 modified version (blue endbell) is the best choice as it has most efficiency as well largest power band.

The choices of stacks (endbell colours) are proposed due to the difference in regulations worldwide. As only manufacturer we offer you the possibility to make the best choice for the ruling in your country and your application to have maximum performance in your conditions.

This is a section from the below on the Orion website
Oscar Jansen

[cobra81li200]

Hum, what exactly is the stack ?

[MattW]

The stack or web is that part of the armature that the wire is wound round.

[cobra81li200]

ok, so that's the distance between inner part of the armature and outer. i.e. inner wire and outer wire, right ?

So it has got an influence on the air-gap, right ?

[al]

Al,
You've got to take the brushes out, I prefer unsoldering them and taking them out from inside the endbell, then with some gentle encouragement the springs will come out the same way.

Putting back in, push them in from the outside (as they are tappered this is easier) and gently with a small screwdriver or allen wrench push them down to the locators in the hood.

I have had the spring come away from locators and pop out the outside of the endbell, then the brush fell out too, and they all went back in the same way with no problems and no damage. Wasn't my motor though so don't know how it happened, it was somebodies which I maintain.

Chris


cheers

[MattW]

ok, so that's the distance between inner part of the armature and outer. i.e. inner wire and outer wire, right ?

So it has got an influence on the air-gap, right ?


No, it is the part that joins the inner of the arm, to the outer crown. The wire is wrapped round the stack. The measurement is purely the width of this part. A wider stack will have more wire round it, as there is more distance for the wire to travel.

[cobra81li200]

ok, so that's the distance between inner part of the armature and outer. i.e. inner wire and outer wire, right ?

So it has got an influence on the air-gap, right ?


No, it is the part that joins the inner of the arm, to the outer crown. The wire is wrapped round the stack. The measurement is purely the width of this part. A wider stack will have more wire round it, as there is more distance for the wire to travel.


Hmm that's what I meant, just couldn't express it properly... So it's directly related to the air-gap.

[James_Stewart]

No, it is the part that joins the inner of the arm, to the outer crown. The wire is wrapped round the stack. The measurement is purely the width of this part. A wider stack will have more wire round it, as there is more distance for the wire to travel.


As far as i'm aware that's the Web Matt, the stack is the number of laminates used to create a pole of the armature.

[Sam_Smith]

check this out on the orion website they have killed this subject to death on there all the tech talk and everything!! I'm qualified as an electrical engineer and work for siemens but some of the lingo used is a little confussing as it is an american website.

Sam