Mtroniks

[glypo]

Hi all,

Done a search on here with no joy. Just wondering if anyone knows much about Mtroniks brushless project.

All i know is that their ESC is called 'Genesis'. Any info anyone can offer would be great,

thanks ;D

[bob burr]

No we only know the same as you ? sounds interesting though.

[glypo]

It certainly does. I am a huge fan of Mtroniks ESC's (yet to try their motors yet), so i can only hope these are out sooner then later.

Thanks :)

[bob burr]

I think any company that makes a brushless purely for the car market is good, the more competition the better they will get, had heard a rumour LRP was going to make one.

[Garry]

And the MRT project.

[Tom]

It is very good news that more car companies are thinking of making brushless. But i have had nothing but trouble from mtroniks speedos but its good to see then taking a step towards the future.

[Terry]

And the MRT project.


Garry
The thread on rcracechat here (http://www.rcracechat.com/forum/index.php?board=70;action=display;threadid=9337)mi ght help explain the current BL situation.

[glypo]

I have been in contact with mtroniks about their systems, as i would like one from them being a big fan of their products. They had this to say:


Hi,

We will be releasing SENSORLESS brushless speed controls for both aircraft and car use in around 8 weeks time.
Sensorless drives, we feel will be the future of brushless speed control, they have a slightly slower start up than sensored brushless ESCs but are far more hassle free and less likely to fail due to wear! Also they can be run with a large number of different brushless motors rather than just the one the sensored types are supplied with!

Regards,
Paul
Mtroniks Ltd.

No word of the motors yet though. What type of compatible motors would i be able to use with this sensorless system then?

I would be putting it in a 4wd buggy.

Thanks you for any help :D

[Garry]

The Orion Vortex wil be sensorless, if its still in development. I heard it was a German-made motor, rejigged a bit to work well in a car.

[MikeS]

The Orion Vortex is (was?) a French motor with a German controller.

[glypo]

Mtroniks have finally released info about their brushless ESC:

After two years of intense design, research & testing, Mtroniks are proud to present the GENESIS30 Brushless speed controller!!

* This new ESC is based around a very high technology microprocessor design and incorporates some very impressive features...
* 6 to 10 cells AND Li-po battery support
* Current limit cut out
* 3A hyper BEC
* Internal Schottky diode
* Auto ct off computer
* Big heatsink - maximum quality & power!
* Programmable advance/prop brake & ramp up speed

more info HERE (http://www.mtroniks.net/news.asp)

[Garry]

I guess theres no word on pricing yet. I hope its low. :)

[glypo]

I have been told to wait untill it's price is put up on the website.

I'll post back here when i find out.

[TC3driver]

just had a look at there web site for details on this and i must say that it looks awfull , ok maybe this is a just a production sample, but a speedo in a bag? i thought those days were long gone still i supose that they will put it in a nice blue ally case with lots of fins on it before to long be nice to find out what it costs though

[Richard Lowe]

Last I heard from someone 'on the inside :cool: ' Mtroniks are in the process of testing a 1BHP brushless system...

Dunno how believable that is, as assuming a constant 7.2v and 100% efficiency that'd work out over 100amps current draw, poor batteries! :eek:

[JV]

Is this an aeroplane thing or a car thing ? Or Both ?

John.

[Richard Lowe]

For cars as far as I know, 540 sized apparently too.

[glypo]

I'm not sure what the problem with the appearance seems to be.

It saves weight and still looks smart. Just keeping the casing simple which is a good idea. Has been done in aircraft ESC's for a long time (or since they have come about). If you look at the ESC's for the micro brushless systems as well they are all the same.

Paul Kenningley (from mtroniks) said it's a "brushless speed controls for both aircraft and car use" in an email so that confirms Richards point.

[Gernster]

Im used to go to university with paul kenningly at Mtroniks & still play football with him once a week. I also know a couple of lads that work there. I will find out some specs & prices for you lads.

oh & their brushed motors are just rebadged corallys............

I have a 13T and it goes like stink........

[know it all]

just had a look at there web site for details on this and i must say that it looks awfull , ok maybe this is a just a production sample, but a speedo in a bag? i thought those days were long gone still i supose that they will put it in a nice blue ally case with lots of fins on it before to long be nice to find out what it costs though

The brushless ESC on the Mtroniks website is in a 'bag' shrinkwrap because it is a flight ESC! Weight being VERY important in the flight game!! I'm sure when the car version comes out it will be in a heatsink like there other speedos!

[know it all]

Im used to go to university with paul kenningly at Mtroniks & still play football with him once a week. I also know a couple of lads that work there. I will find out some specs & prices for you lads.

oh & their brushed motors are just rebadged corallys............

I have a 13T and it goes like stink........

I don't know where you got your Mtroniks motor from but I can assure you they are not Corally's!! I have some of both and not only are the armatures different but the can and end bells look completely different too, with different mouldings!

Not much to choose between them though!!! I agree..... they go like stink!

[studysession]

I have seen the ESC 1st hand - Can't comment much on it.

Other than the other post is correct. It is for both panes and cars.

[studysession]

I have just been given permision from MTroniks to comment on this.

I have personally tested their new ESC. They have sponsored my car in a land world speed record attempt. I have been testing their new Brushless ESC in my cars.

Before this sponsorship I did not know much about the company. Personally I have been very impressed with their products & for the record I do NOT work for them in anyway.

I have personally tested both car and plane brushless motors using the same ESC. It works great with both motors. I do not fly planes but I have used the air plane motors in my electric R/C cars.

Keith H

[JV]

studysession writes:
> They have sponsored my car in a land world speed record attempt.

Cool.

Is MikeS going to take this lying down ???

glypo writes:
> Paul Kenningley (from mtroniks) said it's a "brushless speed controls [sic]
> for both aircraft and car use" in an email so that confirms Richards point.

Good plan.

It'll take years for the BRCA to truly accept brushless, but Mtroniks can keep their foot in the (car) door with a product that they can sell for aeroplanes.

John.

[studysession]

Stupid question: Who is Mike S?

Currently the Guinness world record is held by Team Associated. It is 111MPh. There have been other records but this is Guiness record.

[MikeS]

Keith, I think you will find John is referring to me!

John, I'm cool..... :cool:

So many people think this is easy (no offence Keith) but the amount of power required increases exponentially once you get to those sorts of levels, as do all the other technical issues, like tyres and aerodynamics, weight etc. I will watch this attempt with interest. After our preliminary trials, it take a lot of careful planning and power to make those speeds and live to tell........ 100mph is "easy", but above that it becomes very serious and more technical.

PS: Keith, give my regards to Paul, see if he wants to return my speedos and motor!

[JV]

stdudysession writes:
> Stupid question: Who is Mike S?

Have a look at the "BL Bashing" thread.

Your mailbox is full, and I can't email you.

Regards,

John.

[studysession]

John - I mostly surf another RC message board, I drop in on this board just once and a while. - So I have not intensely gone through the threads here. I was browsing around other day and saw this thread though. Thought it was interesting.

MikeS - Yeah we know it is not easy. We definately know it is a lot of work. I am waiting for my new ESC from MTronics. Should have next week. The one I use is a bit more modified than the standard car ESC. So far I have been testing the one he plans on selling.


PS - I just deleted all my private messages, so my box is empty now.

[glypo]

Can i just say Mtroniks have finally put info up on their website:

http://www.mtroniks.net/mtroniks_SC_products.asp?CategoryID=1&SubCategoryID=6

All aircraft ones so far,


The car version of the GENESIS will be unveiled soon! Keep an eye on the news section at www.mtroniks.net

[studysession]

Still cool to see it posted. I am curious how much the car one will go for. Those look very inexpensive. I was expecting the price to be higher.

I am curious if car one will be same price. I know when I purchase my Schulze ESC I paid almost 300 american dollars for it. It was supposed to handle up to 18 cells. It blew up with only 12 cells.

[studysession]

Anyone else see the picture of the car ESC posted on MTroniks website? Looks like it will be released soon.

[al]

yer looking good, but brushless never seemed to take off for me :o

[al]

here is a pic for anyone intrested

[studysession]

I am testing the new car ESC from MTroniks. The one I am using can handle up to 12 cells. So far i love it. Last night I ran in my TC3. This new version of the car software is way better than the first. This thing took off like a bullet and i was only running 6 cells. Did not run it long because it was late. :D

I have used Schulze ESC's in the past and I have the Castle Creations Mamba 25 for my micro's. The MTroniks ESC handles the motors a lot better. Easy to setup, put more power to the motor (which I like) very nice product.

I have a custom setup on all my cars which require a gear adaptor on the motor. I cant get the adaptor off right now. Once I get it off I will run it in my Colt10 and let everyone know what I think.

I am sure people will ask about pics - I will not post any pics unless MTroniks gives me permision to. Until then, just go to their website for information on looks and what the specs are.

Will keep everyone posted on details :cool:

[know it all]

Update on the Genesis car version is now on the Mtroniks website!!

http://www.mtroniks.net/mtroniks_SC_products.asp?CategoryID=1&SubCategoryID=6

[Garry]

Thats a good price.

is it compatible with any sensorless motor, Hacker, Aveox, Lehner, Schulze etc?

[studysession]

Thats a good price.

is it compatible with any sensorless motor, Hacker, Aveox, Lehner, Schulze etc?

I thought Schulze made ESC's not motors?

Anyhoo - I personally tested their ESC with Hacker and Lehner and othe brands of sensorless brushless motors and love it. It is a good rock solid product. I have been running it for a while.

I have been testing their brushless products for quite a few months now. Anyone who gets it will be very happy is my opinion.

I currently also own the Novak SS - The Novak you are stuck with motor that comes with it. While the MToniks you can pick and choose which motor to go with it and have a much better combination.

I used to also owned a Schulze ESC and it thermaled way to often for my liking. Eventually the Schulze smoked big time. I was unhappy with it smoking so easily.

[Garry]

I thought Schulze made ESC's not motors?


Whoops, meant another brand. :)

I guess the MTroniks one works with the Hacker C40?

[studysession]

Yes - I have 2 Hacker C40 motors. It works with 2 pole motors fine. I also have a Lehner 5300 basic and it worked with it as well.

I found it very easy to program as well.