my latest v12

[AEDave]

having just returned to racing I thought I would rebuild the V12 this time with batteries offset as far as possible to the inside. Not sure whether this will work but thought I'd give it a try!

Starlet new style shell:



and the chassis:





fairly standard set up with castor on the front, hb225 servo (smaller/lighter than std but with more torque and higher speed, good buy at £15). Countersunk screws of course and also note the different rear mount made from V10 mount.

All comments welcome!

[Johnnyc]

Dave,
Was good to race against you on saturday at HOTs. Nice to have some different competition.

Stephen Moss was also try some offset battery mounts that he done, but he found them to work against the car on the HOTs track. This is most likely down to the length of straights that we have.

Unfortunately me and junior will not be there on the next meet but hope to see you on the 27th for the birthday bash.

[westw00d]

Try running them down the length of the chassis works alot better :D worked for me at the worlds.

May i also suggest getting rid of the ib4200's as they are very prown to blowing up in peoples faces. only a word of warning.

westw00d :D

[AEDave]

Got any pics?

Yes very wary of the IBs charge at only 3.5 amps just in case.......cheers

[westw00d]

Nope my cars a secret :p
Basicly turn the tray around 90degs and let all the cells hang over the edge of the chassis by about 10-15mm this will aid steering, not sure what tyres you use, but i use Lbs so i have plenty of rear end grip.

westw00d

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Have you seen the lovely Mr Dowsett now makes an offset battery tray?

[Team Tom]

hope you dont get pulled over for having incorrect roof grade dave :p

think Andy sells the vinyl roof grades for 50p

[AEDave]

haha.....not really sure what roof grade I am anyway, but it makes little difference really!!!
Wont be there tonight sadly, have man flu and really not up to a late night !!!!

[Team Tom]

haha.....not really sure what roof grade I am anyway, but it makes little difference really!!!
Wont be there tonight sadly, have man flu and really not up to a late night !!!!

same here chap, I've just got over the Flu but dont want to risk tonight as I need to be prim and propper for work on monday!!!

Birthday meeting sir? 27th dec? you know you want to, Birthday sheilds up for grabs:D

[AEDave]

Yeah would love to but am away in Gran Canaria..............This flu has been bad I'm totally drained and fed up with it all.........still I am back in force in the new year with a full blown hot rod and also a 2 litre Rod (with the Caterham available if there are sufficient others)

Looking forward to it!

[Team Tom]

top stuff, yeah I was starting to get bored of it and now its cleared up. Bring on christmas, Have a good time away dave!

[allanicars]

you also need to fill any unused holes in your baseplate...

[terryhotrodbrin]

you also need to fill any unused holes in your baseplate...

didnt think you had to any more????

[allanicars]

Well it wasn't amended at the AGM.. so it will be in the 2009 rules...

I do think that everyone in 1/12th oval should look carefully at the rules once they are published... there are far too many occurrences of people doing what they think rather than what is actually written..

Check out your cars so they fit in exactly to the rules and then you won't be disappointed when you take your car to the scrutineer - it saves time in the long run...

[terryhotrodbrin]

Well it wasn't amended at the AGM.. so it will be in the 2009 rules...

I do think that everyone in 1/12th oval should look carefully at the rules once they are published... there are far too many occurrences of people doing what they think rather than what is actually written..

Check out your cars so they fit in exactly to the rules and then you won't be disappointed when you take your car to the scrutineer - it saves time in the long run...

i just think that if you didnt cover them you can see how many are not being used.other wise you could drill loads of holes to make it lighter then cover them.every one knows how many holes should be left with out screws in.except for the odd few that have a slightly different lay out.

to be honest does it really matter???? every ones car is virtually the same speed and the same anyway.:D

[AEDave]

I think there are the rules then if we are lucky we see a common sense interperetation of those rules. I think a scrutineer would be harsh if he insisted on those 2 holes being filled, its not going to give me any advantage. If the chassis was drilled with lots of holes such that it took a measurable amount of weight off, then thats different.

I also drill the rear axle and spur gear/drive dog and put an R clip through to stop them moving on the axle. I guess not totally in line with the rules but surely a scrutineer should always ask the question "does this give an unfair adavantage" unless it does whats the problem?

As Terry says despite all these little mods we make the cars still all run at the same speed!!!

[Stox216]

So we scrap the rules then and have a free for all then!

No need for the AGM either, yipee!

Come on guys wise up, you ignore one rule and soon everyone will be doing the same with other rules, the fairest way is to apply the rules as they are in the rule book, then it is the same for everyone. :p

[allanicars]

I think there are the rules then if we are lucky we see a common sense interperetation of those rules. I think a scrutineer would be harsh if he insisted on those 2 holes being filled, its not going to give me any advantage.

Possibly so.. but the rules are there...

What you are saying is - and forgive me if I take this wrong - you don't particularly care what the rules are, you will do what you want, and should you go to a national, and then if the scrutineer does pick it up, then you expect him to still allow you to race....

We as a section have one of the least strict rule sets for any national series, I know as I was a scrutineer up until October and rather than upsetting people and sending them home without a refund, I would work with them to keep within the rules..
But by what you, and others on here who seem to want to make rules up as they go along, are actually doing is making the job harder.

we are already struggling to get clubs to hold a national round, but if you all keep making things difficult for the officials who on the day have to run the event.. well they get fed up and won't do it

Soon there will be no national series.. and if there is no national series.. no Worlds etc... End of section..

You are not helping yourselves !!!

[AEDave]

What you are saying is - and forgive me if I take this wrong - you don't particularly care what the rules are, you will do what you want, and should you go to a national, and then if the scrutineer does pick it up, then you expect him to still allow you to race....

Yes you have got it all wrong! the holes in the chassis are only there because I am too tight to buy a new one, and this has gone through several rebuilds. IF I wanted to race at national level I understand all I have to do is tape them over or use a bit of P40 - no big deal.

The pinned rear axle might be accepted on the "spirit of the rules" basis but if not I always carry spares so again no big deal, easy enough to swap.

To take that and extend it to me and others disregarding all rules and leading to the demise of the national series and the section as a whole is a pretty massive jump to make!!!

My original post was just to show the Layout of my new car and get comments, nowhere did I say it was 100% BRCA Legal simply because I only race at club level.

If as you are indicating, there are problems with National attendences and venues, then this is a separate issue altogether, and unlikely (for me at least) to be related to enforcement of the rules - I wouldnt travel for hours to go to a meeting only to get there and not be allowed to race, I would sort the car beforehand!

Why not start a thread on what can be done to increase attendences and venues for nationals and lets have a constructive debate on that?

[allanicars]

My original post was just to show the Layout of my new car and get comments, nowhere did I say it was 100% BRCA Legal simply because I only race at club level.



I am being constructive...pointing out that your car is illegal !!!

but you have posted many times.. against the brca comittee and the rules.. I thought I would point out to you that you do not following the rules..

But by showing pictures of your car others may copy it - turn up to a national .. and hey..they are illegal..

Even running it at a club level isn't helping.. clubs let things go, let rules slide and then the don't have any cars legal to warrant them holding a national or for any of their drivers to enter.



To take that and extend it to me and others disregarding all rules and leading to the demise of the national series and the section as a whole is a pretty massive jump to make!!!


No it isn't - the problem with Hotrods - and I mean it is almost 100% hotrods.. is everyone does exactly what they like and expect to get away with it.. that causes resentment and arguing.. and then no one turns up to nationals. - even worse clubs won't hold them.

Hey i don't care.. I race a few nationals a year.. and enjoy myself.. but certain people make a lot of noise, and when things are pointed out to them either deny knowing the rules..(which are quite clear in your BRCA handbook) or just go off on one saying things should be changed.

And you know where you need to go to change the rules !!!!

[terryhotrodbrin]

So we scrap the rules then and have a free for all then!

No need for the AGM either, yipee!

Come on guys wise up, you ignore one rule and soon everyone will be doing the same with other rules, the fairest way is to apply the rules as they are in the rule book, then it is the same for everyone. :p

no one has said ignore the rules??? this is a bit of tape were talking about.
(not 5 cells in a hotrod or any thing like that)
if any thing its some thing that will prevent people drilling holes for less weight.(not that its going to make much difference.)other wise i could turn up with half a chassis with loads of holes in it.and just put a bit of tape over it.
and if people are moaning over a piece of tape then no wonder theres a struggle to hold nationals.:confused:

[terryhotrodbrin]

and if people are moaning over rules maybe some one should mention the no limit brushless class.

i mean NO LIMIT come on who thought of that?????????????????????????
y not stick to mr wilkos brushless system its smooth and very nice to drive with good torque and speed.
all new people to mardave racing are going to buy some thing for speed only.with no way of controlling it.with more accidents and more damage as there going to be quicker.???

[dp racing]

For wot its worth i dont think the rule book is followed to the letter at hot rod nationals, for example the rule book says if a motor is to be changed it must be approved by scrutineer, but wot happens is you take your motor over to get it checked and then have to justify why your changing it dont say that in the book ? another 1 alot of cars run a internal front bumper which is fine but the rules state that nine exra holes may be drilled max 3mm and then tells you wot them holes are to mount dosent mention bumper mounting ? also rule book state aierals must remain inside he car? i have seen many large straws in hotrods this year that are def well outside the car? wot im getting at hear is not a dig or rant at the scrutieers or commitie but just pointing out that people are saying we have a rule book and it must be followed and it quite clearly isnt always the case . in my opinion the general hotrod rules were created when the v12 was first raced and since then been addapted and tweeked along the way but the hotrod class has changed so much now that the rules now seem to be a bit out of date.

[Dreadstar]

The same thing can be said for 3-channel receivers,in that the rules state that the 3rd ch is only to be used for lights,if that's the case,then how do you power your PT?

[terryhotrodbrin]

The same thing can be said for 3-channel receivers,in that the rules state that the 3rd ch is only to be used for lights,if that's the case,then how do you power your PT?

lol good point:D