T1 factory

[Robfo]

So what do we know about the new T1 Factory edition?

[SMTCA Focal Point]

new euro bulkheads, "C"hub only
short wishbones,
updated shock mounts,
possibly an updated chassis with most of the holes filled in (this may have been a one off for indoors for the snowbirds..)

[Xray Griff]

Hope we do not have to wait as long as the T1M. Notice the T1M is being displayed in blue on the Xray site, wonder if the T1Factory will have the same colours?

[Matt Brewerton]

Also new light weight drivshafts, low ratio pulley set, lightweight diffs with carbide balls and thrust races. All this for the price of an Evo2!!
Should be very good.

Matt

[axpayne]

check the xray site for pictures. I received a direct email via their distribution list this afternoon.

[raymondkerr]

I assume you will no longer get the Pivot balls included in the new factory kit then.

Raymond.

[Matt Brewerton]

No it only has C hub suspension, but comes with both short arms and standard arms I beleive.

Matt

[Ben Cosgrove]

Hi Guys

A little bit of info about the factory kit

The team have abandoned the use of pivot ball suspension in favour of the C-Hub design. Now be assured that the team know what they are doing and will only use the best parts for the car. We did not see any advantage in pivot ball and after extensive testing we confirmed this. Most drivers use C-Hub and I would recommend changing to C-Hub if you dont run it so that setup info can be shared.

There are many nice new features on the new factory kit. It has lightweight drive axles (machined)
lightweight diff (machined) with all top quality internals as std
short wishbones as used by the team in late 03
Euro style bulkheads with extra holes for roll centre adjustments
special lightweight yet strong spring steel driveshafts
lightweight solid layshaft
1.77 low ratio pulley set
lightweight 1-way diff as std
new rear shock tower (optimised positions)
amongst other neat tricks

The aim of this car is to reduce the rotating mass of the drivetrain whilst also optimising the suspension geometry to provide better handling and cornerspeed.

This car is a serious improvement to an allready awesome car!

Good luck

Ben

[redlinezak]

Ben do you have any info about when the individual parts will be released as hop ups as i already have a lot of them on my evo 2 foc but the new lightwieght stuff sounds interesting?

[Ben Cosgrove]

Nathan

I would guess that the new parts will replace the stock ones over time. I think the car will hit at the end of March time, hopefully before the new season for all you guys

Ben

[Toby]

I was about to upgrade my Evo 2 with all the goodies on the Factory (wishbones/pulleys etc..) - but having seen the pics and read the spec I think i will buy the new factory kit instead.

It is good that Xray offer the parts separatley and good that they are all also contained in a kit.

It looks spot on! ;D

[John Stones]

I cant wait, hopefully I will be getting one because I am still running a T1 which i purchased when the car first came out. If you look at the manufacturing quality of these cars none of the competitors even compare.

[Adi Wright]

My shiny new Xray Factory kit arrived today and wow, what a kit!

You only have to pick up the glossy instruction manual to realise this is a quality car.

Can't wait to see how it performs on the track.

Adi

[John Stones]

Where u buy it from?

[Toby]

Ahh - perhaps Xray have FINALLY started shipping them!

A friend at the local club was able to pick one up over a week ago in Hong Kong...

Still waiting for mine!
:(
Having seen one it has made me even more impatient - it is a big step up from the Evo2 in my opinion.
Be prepared to add a lot of chassis weights as everything is super lightweight! ;)

[John Stones]

Cant afford one :(

im stuck with a very sluggish car for um about 3 more years. :'(

[Robfo]

Does the new FT come with the new smoother shock bladder kit?

[SMTCA Focal Point]

Do you only get the front one way, or does it come with two diffs and a one way?

[Adi Wright]

John - The factory car comes with just a front one-way diff and one rear diff.

Robfo - Having never owned an Xray before, I'm not sure how the new shock bladder kit compares to the old. Were there problems with it?

Car nearly finished, very impressed with build quality and instructions. Well done Xray.

Just need to stock up on spares now.... but that's another story thread!

Adi

[SMTCA Focal Point]

No problems with the bladder, the new one has a foam pad behind the rubber, and I believe it is softer.

I think is is marketed as a serpent part though, not an xray one. Could be wrong though.

[Matt Brewerton]

Yeah John the shock bladders are sold as a serpant part. I think they are an improvement over the standard items.

Cheers
Matt

[harmar superstar]

Just building my shocks now and i cant see a foam pad!!!

Shocks are amazing tho, first time attempt is perfect. Im using Ali shock bodies too which i were told were no good, but they are very good!

[harmar superstar]

No, I stand corrected, Shocks ar "TRULY" amazing

Iv only used half of the small bottle of oil, Normally i use a full one trying to get the all equal.

Build quality is unbeleivable, iv hardly looked at instruction, it builds brilliantly.

Only niggle is the wishbone, When you tightne thee bracket, it twists it, which binds the shaft, Thats it!!

highly recomended, get one bought. Might not run good, but it looks good!

[Xray Griff]

There are a couple of T1 Factory Kits on EBay! :D

They are still not in the shops though? :confused:

[Dave Treacy]

I've just built the 3rd car in my fleet, a Xray Factory :D

It goes together very nicely, the only thing I had problems with were the shocks, can't get them built as per the destructions, always seem to have some rebound :confused: But seeing as today is wet, I may have another crack at them to see if I can improve them.

When I was setting the car up last night, I couldn't get below 6mm ride height, but then realised I hadn't set the droop! D'oh!

One thing, I was planning to use a shell from one of the other Evo II's, but the mounting holes are different, so a new shell is on it's way!

One stupid thing, what's the transponder mount doing blocking access to the motor mounting screw? I'll forego that bit!

So now I have a whole heap of TC3 stuff for sale on Ebay :eek:

[Robfo]

I built my t1factory last week, has anyone else noticed that the hinge pin next to the servo sits closer to the bulkheads unless you space it out?
Check it out and see if mine came with the wrong bit!

[cobra81li200]

that's normal Rob, otherwise it touches the servo stay, it's not the first time I see this question, so it's not a problem with your car.

[Robfo]

No i know all about that fab, i changed mine on my evo2, this is different i will show you when i see you.
The plastic part that comes with the ft makes the pivot pin toe out!

[harmar superstar]

There are a couple of T1 Factory Kits on EBay! :D

They are still not in the shops though? :confused:

When are they due???

I need a 3deg left c hub but dont know where to turn!?!?

I could have got TC3 bit anywhere!

[Xray Griff]

They are not due in the UK until the end of the month. Thats why the :confused: look about them being on ebay, but not in the shops!

Without a left C-Hub 3deg you will not be turning anywhere!

[Rob Fitzgerald]

When are they due???

I need a 3deg left c hub but dont know where to turn!?!?

I could have got TC3 bit anywhere!


PM me your postal address and I will post you a perfect used one from my spares box.

[harmar superstar]

Iv just ordered one mate, My faith has been restored. blah blah seemm to have a lot of stuff in, Pitty my local hobby shop doesn't tho!

Went out with the factory Kit yesterday, Was very impressed,

Really nice to drive, put the TC3 to shame,

Bury's hard plastic edging claimed the C hub and bent a drive shaft.

Whats the difference with the drive shafts?? all four of mine are the same, but yet blah blah list a few different ones, and font and rear.

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[cobra81li200]

If I'm not mistaken, the first T1 had different driveshafts front and rear, and if I'm not mistaken again this was changed when the Evo2 was released.

[cobra81li200]

No i know all about that fab, i changed mine on my evo2, this is different i will show you when i see you.
The plastic part that comes with the ft makes the pivot pin toe out!

Very well placed source (Hi Ben !) told me it's only 0.5mm difference, and not noticeable on the track. From the length of the hinge pins i'd say it's less and 0.5° toe out so I wouldn't bother as long as the car works like that. However, I
agree that they could have done the same on the right side, so that at least people could have thought t was a tested and approved setting :D

[Robfo]

Oh i thought i was going blind! So if half a degree of toe in/out does'nt make any difference why do we bother to use accurate setup gear?

Ive spaced mine out with a thin washer, even if it makes no difference!

[projectnmt]

I have also just finished putting my new Factory Kit together and the only problem I have is the rear camber link. The links are spot on 58mm as per the instructions but even by eye I can see that there is positive camber :eek:

Now I am sure I haven't missed anything - is this as error is the manual?

I now have to get it onto a set up system before I can run it. My T1R was spot on the basic setup straight from the box - so I was hoping I would get away with not buying a set up system for a while - never mind...

If someone could post the end-to-end length of the rear camber link to get the basic -1.5 deg camber that would be appreciated.

Rob

[Petermarkphillips]

Oh i thought i was going blind! So if half a degree of toe in/out does'nt make any difference why do we bother to use accurate setup gear?

Ive spaced mine out with a thin washer, even if it makes no difference!

try using suspension holders off T1R, the fully plastic ones, and file/dremel the one for the servo side down to size, that way you'll get same angle of onboard toe in/out. Did this when using short arms on evo 2

[Robfo]

try using suspension holders off T1R, the fully plastic ones, and file/dremel the one for the servo side down to size, that way you'll get same angle of onboard toe in/out. Did this when using short arms on evo 2
Yes thats what i did on my evo 2 aswell (great minds think alike :D ) but i did'nt have any spare for the ft and could'nt be bothered to go to the shop to get any. The spacer i've used is spot on but its a shame you have to space anything on an xray!
Also the kit turnbuckles are miles off for rear camber and front toe in which is a bit strange? Oh and it doesnt come with quick clips for wheelbase it comes with plastic spacers?
But on a positive note the new wheel hex's are super light, its just amazing how light they are compared to the original evo2 ones and the spring steel hop ups!

[Petermarkphillips]

Yes thats what i did on my evo 2 aswell (great minds think alike :D ) but i did'nt have any spare for the ft and could'nt be bothered to go to the shop to get any. The spacer i've used is spot on but its a shame you have to space anything on an xray!
Also the kit turnbuckles are miles off for rear camber and front toe in which is a bit strange? Oh and it doesnt come with quick clips for wheelbase it comes with plastic spacers?
But on a positive note the new wheel hex's are super light, its just amazing how light they are compared to the original evo2 ones and the spring steel hop ups!

Thats very a very small complaint, compared with the fact that you dont get a normal diff for the front with the kit.
The turnbuckle lengths are only a rough ballpark, you need to set them properly when you have them on the car and its fully loaded.
Anyone notice that the shock rod ball ends are hard to put on without snapping one, same with evo2?

[cobra81li200]

Why would you want a diff on front, unless you race on low grip surface ? One way is always faster as long as you have grip. Look at all the other cars : 414, TB 3, 415, Yokomo, Pro4 etc... they all come with one ways, and it's not because it's cheaper, but because it's faster.

[Robfo]

I agree with cobra i normally use a one way all the time anyway so thats not a big problem.
The ball joints went on my shocks quite easily, but i did thread them before i put them on the shock shafts.
The only other problem with the xray kits is the quality of the screws that come with them, i had to cut 6 out of my evo 2 so i just bought titanium ones for thr ft.

[Ian Shepherd]

Iv just ordered one mate, My faith has been restored. blah blah seemm to have a lot of stuff in, Pitty my local hobby shop doesn't tho!

Went out with the factory Kit yesterday, Was very impressed,

Really nice to drive, put the TC3 to shame,

Bury's hard plastic edging claimed the C hub and bent a drive shaft.

Whats the difference with the drive shafts?? all four of mine are the same, but yet blah blah list a few different ones, and font and rear.

I bent a front driveshaft on the FT first time out too :(

[Petermarkphillips]

Why would you want a diff on front, unless you race on low grip surface ? One way is always faster as long as you have grip. Look at all the other cars : 414, TB 3, 415, Yokomo, Pro4 etc... they all come with one ways, and it's not because it's cheaper, but because it's faster.

A one-way is no use in wet, or indoors with lower grip is it? One way is not always faster, maybe if you only race a halifax and big tracks like that.

[John Stones]

If I'm not mistaken, the first T1 had different driveshafts front and rear, and if I'm not mistaken again this was changed when the Evo2 was released.
yeah the T1 has longer front driveshafts than the rear.

[Petermarkphillips]

The driveshafts at the front on original T1 were shorter than the rears. On the evo 2 the fronts were changed to the same as the rears, and have remained the same length front and rear, 51mm, right through to the factory kit, although it comes with lightened versions.

[Robfo]

WOW i ran my FT on friday night at Don Valley on a rubberised floor, with the car setup as per kit it was amazing! (apart from the kit turnbuckle lengths which are wrong)
I thought my EVO2 was good but the new car was just stupidly grippy and perfectly balanced! It was like driving a scalextric car.
As Giancarlo Fissichella would say "i'm very appy" :D

[John Stones]

The driveshafts at the front on original T1 were shorter than the rears. On the evo 2 the fronts were changed to the same as the rears, and have remained the same length front and rear, 51mm, right through to the factory kit, although it comes with lightened versions.

Im pretty sure the fronts are longer, I still race a T1.

[projectnmt]

WOW ... it was amazing! (apart from the kit turnbuckle lengths which are wrong) ... "i'm very appy" :D

Oh so I wasn't the only one thinking this. I ran mine for the first time on Thursday and had to add a bit of rear droop to stop off power oversteer but once done it was AWSOME...

Also why does the instructions tell you to build it one way and the Basix setup is totaly different? Oh well - that (and it is minor) is my only quibble.

Rob

[harmar superstar]

Il echo that statement!

My first outdoor race with the car, Only the second time ive raced it and i qualified 5th in the B In 27t at west london.

Had i listened to MR Maddison i might have done a little better but i thought the car was fine, my after thoughts were as Jiimmy said, too stiff. Sorry Jim.

Love Xray, It felt better than my TC3 ever felt anywhere!

[steven bough]

Dave
what did you use up front at W/London.One way etc?

stevie

[harmar superstar]

I used a one-way with 22.5 lb springs all round, It felt good in rounds 1 and 2, but i should have gone to 20 lb springs but didnt as the last few i was off the pace more, but i thought this was a wrong tyre choice.

Jimmy was plagued by problem with interference so couldnt put in a good time, in the 2nd final he used someone elses car and tranny, Im sure we all know how weird that feels.

i have my money on an 19t Xray win at wrexam. Id like to say id put one in for 27t, but theres at least another season before im close!!

[John Stones]

WOW i ran my FT on friday night at Don Valley on a rubberised floor, with the car setup as per kit it was amazing! (apart from the kit turnbuckle lengths which are wrong)
I thought my EVO2 was good but the new car was just stupidly grippy and perfectly balanced! It was like driving a scalextric car.
As Giancarlo Fissichella would say "i'm very appy" :D

With the one way ?

[Robfo]

Yes i ran the car totally standard apart from a full titanium screw kit and 40g of weight next to the servo below the front belt.

It was really good, the quickest car around the track at the meeting!

[steven bough]

On the Factory Kit's new rear shock Tower, there is an extra outer hole for mounting the camber link straight to the shock tower,instead of using the normal fixed bulk head hole.

Do you know what parts i need to be-able to use the outer shock tower camber link holes ?

Thanks

Steven

[Robfo]

All you need is a pair of ball studs, two screws, and two spacers.

I don't think xray do a parts set to use these holes, but i could be wrong.

[John Stones]

so anyone got the lengths for the rear turnbuckles?

[Crippsy]

I ran my Factory car for the first time on Monday at West London and did something I have never done before, I set and held FTD ALL day. What an amazing car!!!! I had a bit of a shock after the first round though, the car was 120 grams underweight!! So I put the extra weight on and then went faster in the next round, then improved even more in the third round. I can't believe how good this car is. One more thing, I was also using the spool diff, a part I have never used before. Totally amazing!!!

[harmar superstar]

i founnd the one-way quicker at west london!
You not tried it yet?

[John Stones]

Ran mine for the first time and its brilliant. used the spool. Not too sure whats goin on with mounting the suspension arm pivot pins in those top holes, coz when i do that I can't get the ride height lower than 6. anyway set FTQ only for a tyre to come off in the final, very pleased though.

[Crippsy]

Not yet Harmar, but I will next time. :)