2008 Hot Rods Worlds

[625 ROB]

this event is drawing nearer so lets see whats allowed and whats not specially cars and batterys and other bits.is the VRX allowed and whats the maximum nimh cells to be used.what are the brca allowing.because ive built a V12 to brca construction rules so when i get to the venue is it all going to change like one rule for one another rule for someone else.

[mardavehq]

Hi Rob
Rules on the car first
Mardave V12 which the V12 VRX falls under , with regards to cells our section rule was changed slightly because our season started before the new cell rule came into force. So all cells on this years and last years list are leagal. all other rules can be found on the bRCA web site
i hope that help and look forward to your entry
Chris
Mardave

[625 ROB]

so basically its a free for all.oh by the way i am booked in if you checked

[Simmo]

Not a free for all, has to be built to the BRCA rules. if you built yours to that then you should be fine.

95% of the hotrods are all the same nowadays. no topplates and touringcar bodyposts. Not much else you can do.

[derekk]

Excellent news, looks like PT's being allowed according to the official site:

http://www.brcahotrodworlds.co.uk/page001.html

Was getting worried the Oval section was slipping back into 20th century mode when everyone else has recognised it's the 21st :D

[try again]

Hi mate not as i see it , hand out ones by the looks of it are being used and using medways system

[mardavehq]

I did try to get them into the 21st century but failed sorry
Chris

[stok217]

no its because there using the "worlds lap counting system that can not detect pt's"

[mardavehq]

Shame i thought it was the 2008 worlds i was racing at

[jt-racing770]

does it really matter if pt's can be used or not as long as the system getting used works

[derekk]

This isn't meant as a dig at Medway (who have obviously been generous enough to allow their system to be used), but surely as this is a "World Championship" a little bit of effort to enhance this meeting should have been considered.

I can't think of any other "large meeting" that only runs handout transponders, in fact I would suggest most club meetings have moved on to PT's. Allowing PT's doesn't stop those without racing, you just have to use digital handouts instead of the analogue handouts.

I appreciate the work of the BRCA, and obviously this meeting is going to be run by a few dedicated individuals, but there is NO technical reason today that PT's cannot be used.

[Sam Gray]

will ur score board think not work then chris with andys system cos that was great at southampton.:)

[derekk]

will ur score board think not work then chris with andys system cos that was great at southampton.:)

Scoreboard would be a great idea ( as long as it works eh James :D ), just think, the public would actually know what is going on, and might actually take more of an interest. The number of people that I've spoken to that come along to watch and last 30minutes at most because all that happens is cars go round a track, they have no idea what is going on.

[allanicars]

It was felt that the scoreboard(used at Southampton) would not bring in any more interest (or be of benefit) as it only showed up the transponder number... and without that being marked clearly on the car.. the public still would not know who or what a car was doing. (and personal transponders wouldn't help)

The other factor considered was that ...(and i saw it happen at Southampton) that the drivers on the podium could react to what the scoreboard said, and maybe hinder or deliberately take out a leading car.

Now while this is still not impossible stop, without a scoreboard, (or software speaking out the race order) it is certainly harder for someone to do... so a decision was made not to use the board.

We have however not ruled out some form of display for the public to view, but it certainly will not be in view of the drivers on the podium.

[terryhotrodbrin]

i like the idea of a board.but as you say allan not for the drivers.(i know it distracted me i couldnt stop looking at it.)
but it was very good to see how other drivers were getting on

[derekk]

The scoreboard won't bring in more interest, the meeting should do that itself. It will however inform the public that do turn up.

I think the idea of displaying information for the public is good, and prevent the drivers from seeing it. Surely the cars will have race numbers on them and not relying solely on transponders to work. Perhaps a clear area around the rostrum with barriers so it would be very obvious if information is passed to the drivers.

Agree PT's won't help inform the public, but they do help the running of meetings, no forgot transponders, no transponders falling off, no manual counting, no wrong transponders fitted, less delays due to correcting results. And those that don't have them don't get penalised as they run a handout just the same, it's just a different colour case.

any idea why PT's are being used?

[Team Tom]

pt's aren't beind used derek

[mardavehq]

Quote :The other factor considered was that ...(and i saw it happen at Southampton) that the drivers on the podium could react to what the scoreboard said, and maybe hinder or deliberately take out a leading car.


Wow i wish i was such a good driver that i can look at the score board and race at the same time. Come on guys get real !!!!

This is model car racing and should be fun
Oh an it is the worlds and we have a referee don't we ??? or is that not allowed ???

Chris

[try again]

i like the thought of a scoreboard as well as some commentary like southhampton , was the best meeting ive raced at as to all the little things like that go a long way to make it a joy to race at , and you dont need a scoreboard to take someone out as to the few hot rod meetings ive done it seems to be just down to the drivers who race dirty anyway , think we should have more saloon drivers about with the amount of contact in hot rods some times be better for them to race a contact class and saying that should be more hot rod drivers about with the hot rodding going on in the minis , well lets just hope there will be some clean racing at the worlds ,think we should have a new rule if someone takes you out you should be allowed to have a go back at them :rolleyes:

[derekk]

Perhaps if you are taken out you should hand the position back, and not be allowed to pass again until after the next corner, unless it was a red car ;)

[allanicars]

Wow i wish i was such a good driver that i can look at the score board and race at the same time. Come on guys get real !!!!



hey i didn't say it was me... i just saw it happen, deliberately or not..



Anyway I got blatantly taken out by one of my stock car brothers.... i wasn't bothered.. i laughed if you remember... i was there for fun.. and I had it.. and still got a pot to take home!!!




Perhaps if you are taken out you should hand the position back, and not be allowed to pass again until after the next corner, unless it was a red car ;)

right im off to paint my shell red... :-)

[try again]

thats ok allan im colour blind :D :D

[theflame]

I've had shells of all different colours - not found a Rolph proof one yet! :D

[Allan269]

Anyone know what time the doors open, and start times for both days?

Allan

[Mr Markup]

Have you heard the latest news??? next years F1 Grand Prix organsiers have announced that they will have 22 blokes standing on the side of the track with shiney silver stopwatches..... Superb:D

But seriously are we not all meant to be promoting what a great sport this is, not only to the public but to other people who race other formulas of cars both models and the real deal. It seems a shame that we are missing a massive opportunity.
And yes I do help run a club and I do help organise race meetings.

[mardavehq]

Hi All
Driver pack will be leaving here Friday so Mr Postie will have all the info for you next week. or try www.brcahotrodworlds.co.uk
Chris

[tubs]

How strict are the worlds going to be ref roof colors and race numbers?

[sitefitter]

been reading some of your posts you are starting to sond like touring car drivers ie deepest pockets win pt's cost more than a mardave and save a few gramms race in yorkshire every body uses handouts no problems

[Team Tom]

How strict are the worlds going to be ref roof colors and race numbers?

should be as strict as a national meeting should be. Being the WORLD Final.............

if you have the wrong roof grade on the day, just like real stockcar racing, you should start at the back of the roofgrades for all your Heats.

[MADMOUSE41]

Best of luck to Wee D and Roy for Worlds,hope you have a safe and good trip but most of all enjoy yourselves.Mouse has had 6 months off I needed it,but just to let you know new purpose built hall is nearly finished and,will be up and running very soon.Membership is on the up and we are looking forward to a good winter of racing.To my friend Redleader and Rob hope you go well,and manage to make the main final.I feel Wee D ( Davy Connolly),will finish in the top 8 still quick,still on the pipe it will be interesting to hear the results.Team Tom you still racing how are you mucker?.Nice forum this Redleader told me about it,just joined to offer my best regards to my fellow countrymen Mouse

[Steve Cann]

been reading some of your posts you are starting to sond like touring car drivers ie deepest pockets win pt's cost more than a mardave and save a few gramms race in yorkshire every body uses handouts no problems



Think they are wishing to use their PT's for convienance reasons rather than any possible performance enhancement...

[Chris Green]

If anything, a PT will give a performance drop rather than any gain, as they are powered by you battery pack. There is a slight weight advantage, but I'm sure this is outweighed by the slight voltage drop in the cells?

I can see me forgetting to put a handout in!

[Slim_Shady_01]

How strict are the worlds going to be ref roof colors and race numbers?

if you really feel the need to ask that question then i for one think you should have a long hard think about if you should actually go to the event

[Mark Stiles]

if you really feel the need to ask that question then i for one think you should have a long hard think about if you should actually go to the event

Thats it, great. Someone asks a sensible question and you respond by biting their head off!

James hasn't raced hot rods for a long while, and when he did we didnt run to a roof grade format at our club. So technically he's a yellow roof, and thats why he asked the question, because on driving ability alone he's at least a blue.

...and people wonder why drivers have drifted from 12th oval into other classes...

[theflame]

[deleted - posted in wrong thread!]

[tubs]

I haven't run a hotrod for over a year, or oval for that matter since last worlds. Decided to enter for a good weekend, see a few old faces, maybe make the grand final. The chance to be a world champion,

PTs, scoreboards, roofgrades, senior/junior, qualifying for the event, thats just what i've read in the last 5 mins:mad:

Looks like i should be packing my handbag

[Slim_Shady_01]

Thats it, great. Someone asks a sensible question and you respond by biting their head off!

im not biting anyones head off my comment was made in jest but with a serious twist.


James hasn't raced hot rods for a long while, and when he did we didnt run to a roof grade format at our club. So technically he's a yellow roof, and thats why he asked the question, because on driving ability alone he's at least a blue.


considering that your roof colour/grade determines your starting position for your heats i would expect it will be fairly strict, and being the worlds ALL the rules SHOULD be followed to the letter. after all the whole paragraph in the brca handbook about grading and starting position wasnt written just so it can be ignored. for the record if james hasnt raced at a national to attain a grade and his club hasnt graded him then yes he will be a yellow regardless of ability as only complete newcomers to the hobby/sport are graded as white.

[Mark Stiles]

considering that your roof colour/grade determines your starting position for your heats i would expect it will be fairly strict, and being the worlds ALL the rules SHOULD be followed to the letter. after all the whole paragraph in the brca handbook about grading and starting position wasnt written just so it can be ignored. for the record if james hasnt raced at a national to attain a grade and his club hasnt graded him then yes he will be a yellow regardless of ability as only complete newcomers to the hobby/sport are graded as white.

Thats fair enough, but what that also means is that if turned up I would also be a yellow roof. I'm sure a few people would have things to say if I put my car on the yellow line for the first heat...

Maybe the roof grade rules shouldnt be followed to the letter, and that racers need to use their own judgement and discretion for cases like this?

[stok217]

Even tho this would be the first time of running a hot rod for me (Has to be the biggest meeting of them all) I had desided that i am going to be running as a blue top and so will my dad
nick

[Slim_Shady_01]

as a previous world champion i beleive if i remember correctly you stay superstar or red grade for a set period regardless of how much or little you race, not got my brca handbook close so would need to check but im sure it is/was either 3 or 5 years.

nick as i know you are a regular stock car racer you should start at one grade lower than whatever you are graded with your stock car due to your oval experience.

[stok217]

Yes but i have ran outta yellow paint so blue will do ;)
see you saturday

[625 ROB]

nick i dont see your name or your dads name on the list of drivers booked in for the worlds hmmm

[stok217]

Just been put up :P

[Sam Gray]

nick i dont see your name or your dads name on the list of drivers booked in for the worlds hmmm

thats cos they was late.:eek:

[stok217]

well i dont know if they arrived of that friday or the saturday?
i dont rearly mind now cus i will be racing (and a bit of rubbing)
;)

[Hack258]

I read that under no circumstances will there be later entries allowed.

It's nice to have friends in the know!

[stok217]

yep
well my dad did the work ;)

[tubs]

is there going to be anybody on site selling spares and tyres etc?

[allanicars]

is there going to be anybody on site selling spares and tyres etc?

Yep there will be a spares shop on site... can't remember the name...

[MADMOUSE41]

LB Racing by any chance since the winning car will be on LB tyres!!!!!!!!!Mouse

[terryhotrodbrin]

LB Racing by any chance since the winning car will be on LB tyres!!!!!!!!!Mouse

im using ufra pinks not LB mate:)

[MADMOUSE41]

Crikey Terry I know who you are now..... The Beast Of Bognor as Potty said or The Famous Covered Man!!!!!!.Yee know my mate Ricky Lemmon..he of one of the best stock-rodders ever......after Willis,Cookie,Clack,Tick Steward,Roy Mc Kane,Frankie Lynn,Alan Connolly etc small world pleased to meet you Mouse

[Pug205gti]

I`ve been told AK are providing a shop there !

[Hack258]

Apparently Dunfermline are bringing all spares down with them too.

Will be no shortage of spares.

[stok217]

Thats good then ;)

[Macca]

Only a shortage of LB tyres:rolleyes:

[terryhotrodbrin]

Only a shortage of LB tyres:rolleyes:

too certain people?????

[Hack258]

too certain people?????

Didn't you race them?

It's the same everywhere you go, you have to be in with certain people to get certain things, and 'team' drivers get far more/better equipment than us diddy white roofs who pay top benjimans for some things. I don't see why the LB's are such a big issue. What is the big difference between them and other tyres?

[Hack258]

www.saffcom.co.uk

Should have pictures of the World Weekend on them soon, so the guy was saying.

[Lee Carr]

www.saffcom.co.uk

Should have pictures of the World Weekend on them soon, so the guy was saying.

Is that the guy who was selling pics of peoples cars over the weekend?

[terryhotrodbrin]

Didn't you race them?

It's the same everywhere you go, you have to be in with certain people to get certain things, and 'team' drivers get far more/better equipment than us diddy white roofs who pay top benjimans for some things. I don't see why the LB's are such a big issue. What is the big difference between them and other tyres?

I DID IN THE SEMIS AND THEY WERE AWSOME MISSED OUT ON THE FINAL BY UNDER A SECOND.AND IF I HAD RUN ON THEM BEFORE IM SURE I WLD OF GONE A COUPLE OF LAPS FASTER.IT TOOK A MIN OR SO TO ACTUALLY REALISE THERE SO GOOD AND GRIPPED SO SO WELL.MY CAR WAS TERRIBLE ALL WEEKEND WITH ONLY A 91 LAPPER.UNTIL I PUT LBS ON AND DONE A 96.WITH A BIT MORE IF I HAD USED THEM PREVIOUS.

PEOPLE KNEW THEY WERE AWSOME.THATS Y NO ONE SPREAD THE LOVE.:(
REMINDS ME OF TOURING CARS

[Hack258]

Is that the guy who was selling pics of peoples cars over the weekend?

That's the very fellow.

To be fair, i thought everyone was very helpful, especially the Welsh Champion, Martin? Very nice guy, honest but even he could get my car going, which was very good, considering i was very new to the sport, and scrapepd in a Quarter by a bawhair :D

At the end of the day, the World Champion won without LB's, so i don't see why there is such a song and dance.

[stok217]

See how i feel ;)
miss out the quarters by one lap!
aww well it was a fun weekend's racing

[stok217]

Is that the guy who was selling pics of peoples cars over the weekend?

Yes :rolleyes:

[OB964]

That's the very fellow.

To be fair, i thought everyone was very helpful, especially the Welsh Champion, Martin? Very nice guy, honest but even he could get my car going, which was very good, considering i was very new to the sport, and scrapepd in a Quarter by a bawhair :D

At the end of the day, the World Champion won without LB's, so i don't see why there is such a song and dance.

Or that could be Chris Bottle ;).

As i said in another thread, my car was planted with pink mediums, im sure lb's would have been good and i disagreed with how difficult it was to get a hold of a pair but it happens.

All in all, a good weekend.