Carpetwars

[fiisch]

I've just bought a nice shiny new Carbon Mission, and am racing at Carpetwars this coming weekend. I have no idea on setup, and currently have red springs all round and all kit settings. Tyres, obviously not an issue as they are control to T27s.

Could anyone please give me a guideline to gearing/setup for Carpetwars??? It would be much appreciated!!!

Thanks

Do you race at a club (a once a week meeting) if you do take your car down there and use the T27's and get a good set up for them, I dont think T27's use that much of a different set up compared to foams, I run both with the same set up, all you need to do is warm the tires up before you race, either tyre warmers or hold your car so the tyres are just touching the floor and put the throttle on for about 10seconds, you will have plenty of grip, I would say take the red springs off the car and put greys on the rear and blues on the front, i use them and they perfect! Gearing I cant help you with because I have never been there, I heard its a good sized track so if you run the origernal spur (86 teeth) then about 26-27 pinion would be fine, you can always change them when you get there. Just a standard set up would do, 2deg toe in and camber all round. When you get there tweek it to make it better.
Mark

[fiisch]

Thankyou for the quick reply.

What is the standard spur gear - 86T?

Unfortunately I don't have a local indoor club that I can use T27s without seriously risking breaking my car! It's the first time I will have ran the car, and the first time I have used a Schumacher in 3 years, so I have no existing setup for foams or any other tyres!

Thankyou for the tips - do Schumacher still make that spring tuning set for about £10???

EDIT: sorry - I realise now after rereading the post the Standard spur is 86T! ::)

Set your car up like this and it should go well (my set-up ;D )
FRONT
Shock position-middle hole
Shock Oil- 45
Spring- Blue
Camber- 2 deg
Toe in- 2 deg
Droop- 0
Tyres-T27's - inserts - schumacher greens
Ride Height- 5mm

REAR
Shock position- 2nd hole in
Shock Oil- 45
Spring- Grey
Camber- 2 deg
Toe in- 2 deg
Droop- 0
Tyres-T27's - inserts - origernal foams
Ride Height- 5mm

As I said gearing I cant help you with, im shure some one on here will help. Yes schumacher still do the tuning spring kit for £10
Mark

[fiisch]

Cheers man - if I can get the springs I will use that as my starter - I'll let you know how it went!

Ok, no worries mate.

[AndyT]

Just to carry on this thread if I may, my current setup is producing too much understeer. Heres what i'm running:

FRONT
Shock position- 2nd hole in
Shock Oil- 45
Spring- Yellow (came with it)
Camber- 1 deg
Toe in- 2 deg
Droop- 3mm
Tyres-T27's - inserts - proline blues I think
Ride Height- 5mm

REAR
Shock position- 1st hole in
Shock Oil- 45
Spring- Yellows
Camber- 2 deg
Toe in- 2 deg
Droop- 2mm
Tyres-T27's - inserts - proline blues again I think
Ride Height- 6mm

This a lot better that what I started with, I think the springs and inserts may be my downfall to understeer.

How would you think this compares to your setup Mark?. I'm a newbie so I learning, if maybe you could explain why as well that'd be a great help

Cheers
Andy

[DA_cookie_monstA]

Try taking out the toe in on the front to -1, then 0, that might help it turn in better to the corner, and not scrub tyres/speed.

I would run 2deg camber, dont think it will solve the problem tho, the only other thing i can think of is the tyres have the wrong inserts in them....the inserts make a massive difference, especialy if you run a control tyre so you have to run different inserts to get every thing out of the tyre you can. To be honest control tyres are usualy crap, T27's can work on any thing (carpet and tarmac) but they arnt good, they are just ok at both if you get the correct inserts, foams work best on carpet, slicks work best on tarmac.

[steven252]

change the springs on the front - yellows are the hardest avalible, change to a blue spring or a red on the front

steven

[MarkB]

Guys - castor angle makes about the biggest different to Mission turn in. Move 1/2 a kwick-klip (you DO use them don't you!) to the rear, and turn in will improve.

I have a year old T27 Mission set up from DMS Watford - should be ok for CarpetWars. If it wasn't booked solid then I'd be coming down and would offer to help.

I also have a more recent stock carpet set up, but that's on Carpet Dragons.

In terms of inserts for T27s I swear by HPI Yellow/Red dot front, a firm foam rear on 26 mm wheels.

Cheers
MarkB

[MattW]

There are a couple of recent ish T27 set-ups on the Schumacher site. If anyone is interested in mine then that isn't a problem. Mine are from DMS, so i assume the carpet down there is similar. There are a couple of bits on mine that could be a little tricky to re-create :o ;) :-

[scoyle]

I also have a more recent stock carpet set up, but that's on Carpet Dragons.


Mark - could I get a copy of your setup with carpet dragons as that is what we are using at my club.

Thanks,
Stephen

[AndyT]

Could you email me a copy as well please :)

[fiisch]

Gave the car it's first run out, and I have to say I was a little disappointed with the Mission to begin with. I couldn't find the sweet point for gearing, struggled with understeer, and qualified a lowly 29th in stock 27t! For the final, I altered shock positions and switched tyres round and it changed to oversteer, though this was managable. I got up to 2nd, before being taken out (accidentally I think) and ended up 5th - not a bad effort for car's run out but was really hoping for the B final.

Unfortunately the springs didn't arrive in time, so I was stuck with using reds all round, which really didn't help. What gearings did you guys run for that track? I eventually settled on 28/86 but my motor came off feeling verry hot! I went as low as 25/86 but then it was drastically undergeared and I still struggled with motor heat.

Also, what way do you run the tyres? I noticed people run the tyres in a variety of directions. I started with all the tyres facing forwards, but for finals switched fronts so they were facing backwards and found a dramatic improvement!?

[AndyT]

If your talking about T27s I believe they should be run so the centre arrow is pointing forward if you look down at the car, or so the big arrows are pointing backwards.

[MarkB]

Right then - won't get an entry for Carpet Wars before the two day. So this will have to based on 2 Sundays at Lowestoft - planned trips to Milton Keynes and DMS coming up next!

A fairly small track sees the Fantom Silver geared on 21/86 - 20 tooth pulley - for 7.37 overall. My last DMS and Ware trips saw 7.20 for a Silver.

Assuming 28/86 is on the 18 tooth pulley that works out at 6.50 as a ratio - looks a very big pinion for a Monster/Silver. If its to 20 tooth pinion, then that's an outdoor ratio!

Personally I've run T27s both ways round and not noticed a difference. Harder insert front, softer (like a firm foam) rear. Clean them well, and mount on 26mm wheels. Get them run in, and replace when tread gets worn.

Cheers
MarkB

[fiisch]

My car is completely stock from build - I believe it's the 20 tooth pulley? So you think I should have been running something like a 20t pinion??? I was running an Orion Core stock, and *felt* undergeared with 25/86 but I may have been mistaken (I always struggle to find the sweetspot with any car).

Interesting to see you hadn't noticed a difference regarding which way you ran the T27s as I noticed a huge difference with stock inserts, though this may have been due to uneven tyre wear as opposed to tread direction.

Thanks for the help - I will try gearing MUCH lower next week and building up from there!

For the indoor series - should I be running an 18t pulley? What effect does the smaller pulley have?

[MattW]

The smaller pully is 17 teeth. Don't think many people run it any more.

I'm not going to comment on the tyres ;)

[fiisch]

I'm not going to comment on the tyres ;)


Sounds ominous ???

[MattW]

If you look in the Touring car forum there are a couple of T27 threads - I'm not a massive fan ::)

[Declan]

You want 2 all around basicly for your setup and blue springs i use them and it is a wickid setup some off the sponcerd drivers use it where i race. ;)