19 Turn 4 cell

[Glenn Atterton]

Anyone suggest a ratio for 19t on 4 cell?

Want to try one @ club level.

Any clubs running 19 Trun 4 cell?

[rice98w]

glenn- Alan Curry ran one at Mold for a couple of runs, i suggest you speak to him.

i thought it was excellent that alan tried it, i mean, if no-one did, we wouldnt know now would we?!

and his car certainly wasnt short of pace! :D

[Glenn Atterton]

I'll get in touch with Alan soon. Helping to sort track in January for national meeting.

Motor should be OK for 1/12 as I used one of Glyn's handwound 19t arms @ the off-road vets event @ Worksop to go 2nd qualifier in both 2 & 4wd.

[ian plimmer]

im gona try that too, just to be different

[rice98w]

19turn 4 cell has some real potential for being a big class. hope to see more of it in the future ;)

[acurry]

Hi Glenn

The motor I ran was a Demon 19t Super Stock and was geared on 43mm as a starting point and went up to 47mm had enough down the straight but lacked a little on the infield.
the motor was very smooth.

Alan

[rice98w]

and i bet you came off with alot in the battereis too! 2000's anyone? ;)

how do you mean sort the track out glenn?

and p.s. good work on the maps, they are very good :)

[Glenn Atterton]

how do you mean sort the track out glenn?




Alan want's to lift/stretch/relay/clean the carpet which means lifting the track markings and relaying it all.

[rice98w]

ligning up for a top event, thank you ;)

[acurry]

Matt

At the moment the straight is under the rostrum !!!


Not nice


Alan

[acurry]

Glenn might be down on sat with 1/12 and poss will try 19turn let me know if you will be going.

Alan

[acurry]

Glenn

more than likley I will be laying the track on friday morning will let you know when all sorted.

Alan

[PDW]

I like the idea of 19T 4-cell; however, it seems to me that one of our unique selling points in RC electrics today is the 'no limit' motor. I think that it would be better to stick with 27-turn 6-cell to attract new drivers, who then go on to run anything they like for 4-cell.

I am all for more classes that get more people to our events. If we are considering 19-turn, then we should also consider 1/12th touring cars (which are designed for 4-cell) and 1/18th cars which can also be limited to 4 (slightly smaller!) cells.

I know we would all like to see everyone running our beloved 4-cell Modified; nonetheless there are new classes out there that no one has done anything about. If WE did something about them it would be very much to our benefit, as well as the drivers buying 1/12th and 1/18th cars. An AGM item perhaps?

[acurry]

Pete

I ran a 19t because I wanted to not so I would run a 1/18 or 1/12 tourer as this is a 1/12 scale circut thread i do not beleive these classes can compete with the performance of 1/12th car regardless of the motor.

[PDW]

Alan,

I don't expect the smaller TCs to be competitive either; however running more classes makes for bigger meetings, and helps pay for our favourite class!

I remember that the 1/10th Electric Section was for Pro-10 cars only, and when TC came along they sort of adopted it. This allowed them to pay for their Pro-10 Nationals until IFMAR dropped Pro-10 and so did the rest of the World. I'd rather this than we have to downgrade 1/12th Nationals due to lack of entries.

All I'm suggesting is that we could do the same - provide a 'home' for the little cars with rules and a racing format. I've raced an M1 1/12th Mini and it is very good; much better than a 1/10th TC for the indoor tracks. As a possible feeder class for 1/12th it makes more sense to me than 27t or 19t 1/12th - cars that cannot be bought in the shops - since people are currently buying the new 'little' cars in some quantity.

I'll think on it and put some ideas on this site. Nonetheless, if there is going to be a 19t class for 1/12th (F2A?!) then I'd be interested. :)

[Russ]

The lure of an unlimited motor is bad for most drivers, they simply cannot handle the performance :(
Just look at the driving standards in the lower (and some upper!) heats and finals at the last couple of nationals :o
I include myself in that statement, I consider that my personal limit to be 12/13 turn, not for duration but for crash avoidance.
You dont need a low wind motor to be competitive, Jim has shown that for some time.
A 19 turn 4 cell car would probably be very pleasant to drive and most likely an excellent club race setup.

The 1/12 tourers are probably ours anyway, like it or not our section is '1/12 scale circuit'.

I don't feel at the moment that there is a need to actively encourage the mini tourers to get bigger meetings, we are growing at the moment, let us encourage the growth in 1/12 'Sports/GT' to a workable limit, providing a home for small numbers of tourers only, any more then they can have their own meetings.
Having a meeting of 100+ drivers may be some peoples ideal, personally I prefer a smaller, more 'fun' meeting.
Bigger isn't always better ;D

[ccoomes]

I have to agree with Russ.

I also use an 11 turn motor for the same reasons, and that they are still fast but not minding scaringly fast you hit the track markings (Although I did a good job and Mold on the Sunday for all the track).

As Russ Said the 1/12 circuit is growing. We are on average about 10-15 cars up per national than last year. If this keeps growing we will have a well supported national with great talent and a good winter series for all.

I can understand that we might need to include other classes should the time come, but at the moment I feel we have a well supported class with a great 'fun' level of racing and atmosphere.

Should we include another class of racing, and unfortunutely due to time scale (as we run 8 minute races) to complete the meeting by a reasonable time, anyone fancy 10 car qualifying?

I just hope this class keeps growing so the speed, handling and fun atmosphere of the 1/12 BRCA national Championship can keep growing for all model car racers who participate.

Clive.

[Glenn Atterton]

anyone fancy 10 car qualifying?

Providing the tracks are large enough.

Mold just gone would have been a little on the small side though 10 car finals are were run.

[PDW]

As Glenn says, if we can run 10-car finals then we can run 10-car heats.

I appreciate the 1/12th class because it is fun, and the people are good to be with. The fact that I do not have to worry about motor limit is a big bonus - and to those who look at 1/12th from outside. The driving problem is not solely due to power, try Touring Car Stock Class heats at TORC and National level - bang, crash wallop!!

I'm not saying we should get more people in for the sake of it, but there is a class out there we should encourage. The first objective in the BRCA constitution is "to promote the construction and racing of RC cars". All I'm saying is that we're not really doing that if we fail to make some structure for the 1/12th and 1/18th cars.

[Russ]

Pete, If we make these changes, will it mean that we will see you at a 1/12 national more than once every 5 years? ;) ;D ;) ;D

[Dave Treacy]

As I recall, there was discussion of 19T 4 cell class at the AGM. The consesnus was that if there was sufficient demand, then they could / would be placed in the same heat as a "support" class.

This was a side track of the discussion of splitting 6cell / 4 cell with the new rules on EB motors. Of course, had we done this, we would have solved the Phil D dilemma ;) ;)

[PDW]

Russ, there is a danger of you seeing me in a couple of weeks at Teeside, and at all the Nationals this year!! I appreciate that this may come as a bit of a blow, but there it is!! ;D ;D