Which Motor ?

[Kev Cooke]

I am looking to purchase a new motor and i've narrowed my list down to three:

Peak Vantage Modified, Reedy KR or Reedy PT.

Which do you all think i should get ?

I'll be using the motor for both Touring car and 2WD Buggy

[MikeS]

Kev, I am not trying to be funny or confrontational, but your posts highlights a serious issue.

Asking a question such as this clearly indicates a lack of understanding of how specialised this sport, the classes and the products in it, have become.

There is no single ideal use-it-for-all-purposes motor - which is what you appear to be asking, just like there isn't a car as the two types of use you list have completely different requirements.

One of the biggest changes over the last 2 years has been the focussing of the manufacturers on the specific class requirements, resulting in different classes of motor for different uses.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that there are no motors that you could use to do both applications, just be aware that any "advice" you receive will be of little real value without a whole lot more info from you, and then at best, you will end up with a useable motor, which in retrospect maybe what you were looking for.......

Those that understand this situation are not likely to respond, those that do respond, are probably in the same boat as you....good luck.

[Kev Cooke]

My basic question was "is there a do it all motor?" (i just didn't put it as simply as that).

And cheers Mike you have answered it,
I have only recently returned to the sport after a 12 yr break and was basically looking for a "Quick Fix" ,however, as i thought i'll be best off investing in two distinctly different motors.

[Ben Turner]

The Reedy Pt is a nice smooth but still quick motor, where as the krypton has got a bit more grunt. If i was you however i would get a vantage and benifit from many runs without it going off. I would say its not probably as quick as a krypton in the right hands but it is easier to maintain and gear etc. It could be easier to make quicker.

Ben

[Luke Hobson]

personally i would say that the Peak Vantage motor would be best suited to your purposes becuase it rarely needs skimming anywhere near as much as the other two you list.

hope it helps
luke

[burgie]

but the problem is one car is 4wd and one car is a 2wd buggy. The peak motor, although seemingly very good indeed, has been designed for one form of racing or another. Eventhough they will obviously work in any car you put them in, they will perform better in a touring car on a long track than a buggy on a short twisty track, if that's what they were designed to do, Luke.

[Luke Hobson]

ok then why not get the Orion version with the Steenari edition designed for off road use?

are you following me ;)

luke

[SunnySpoon]

Not sure what other peoples views are on this, but why not say buy a Vantage off-road modified and then buy the Vantage touring car armature? I'm guessing the cans are the same? You may need different motor springs as well...

[Luke Hobson]

good piont

i'm not sure if you would change the springs (probably would)

luke

[SunnySpoon]

I think you'd run lighter tension springs for on-road classes?

[Luke Hobson]

would you change the brushes for a different type?

luke

[SunnySpoon]

Don't really know much about motors/tuning, although I don't think so as I believe that some touring car drivers like those in off-road want a lot of torque and will gear accordingly. I guess it depends on the track layout, available grip/traction and your personal driving style...

[Sam_Smith]

Personally I have got 2 out of the specified 3 motors and even though I haven't used the Peak motor I have heard good things about it, but from experience I have run a Reedy KR 12x1 high torque model (laydown brushes) in both on-road nationals and off-road regionals an it has been great in both classes. It did take a bit of battering in the TC3 but it was great in the buggy and hardly touched the comm!!

[Eirik Andreassen]

Hello Duffman,

I have some experience with the Peak Vantage motors and I think this might be a good deal for you!

Buy a 12x2 Touring version, Part#PEK7722. This one has a nice and smooth power band and good run time. It is timed at 18deg, but I normally use 24deg timing and gear one tooth down....
For 2wd you could just time it down to 12deg or 8deg and gear up one or two theets to smooth out the power band as it might be too much bottom end power for a 2wd.

NB! Each Timing mark equals 6deg.

For Touring cars we often use the Medium springs on big tracks and Medium/Hard or Hard Springs for thight tracks. For 2wd Medium Springs are perfect, no need to change them. Medium is what comes with the motor......

Hope this was at some help!!

Cheers,
Eirik Andreassen

[Kev Cooke]

I've been looking into things a bit more and as i won't be racing my buggy until we move back outdoors (when it gets warmer and dryer) i think i will buy a motor specifically for my Tourer.

I am torn between either the Peak Vantage Touring motors or the Orion V2 Touring motors and i am planning on getting one of the 12x1 winds but don't know whether to get HT or HS version as i don't know whether the track i race on would be classed as small-medium or large.
Any help would be appreciated i.e. what size track is classed as small etc

[Eirik Andreassen]

Duffman,

If you race indoors the HS will work best!
Even at "Small" outdoor tracks such as WLRC the HS will be the fastest one.
The HT will have better efficiency though!

The HS is what I have found to work best for me most of the time!

[burgie]

Kev, the indoor track we race on would almost definately fall into the small size.

[PDW]

I'm going to disagree with Mike on detail. In principle, he is bang on target (as usual!), but in practice you can find a motor to do most jobs. However, the features you are looking for from a "one-size-fits-all" motor are different.

I would look for a double wind motor, they tend to have broader torque spans and are slightly easier to drive. I would select the wind to be slightly more powerful than needed (except TC, where 12-turn limit normally applies) and then drive, and gear, to suit the track and the car (2WD/4WD/1/12th/TC/etc.). I use a general purpose brush, for which the springs are slackened in my 1/12th car. I rebuild every other meeting in TC.

I use a Hudy (Orion) 10 x 2 for TC and 1/12th, and adjust the gearing and timing to suit. It is a great all-round motor. Faced with your choice, I would take a very close look at the new 'V' motors from Peak and Orion as the reports of longevity for brushes and comms seem to be accurate - Rick Howhart ran 14 runs at the Worlds!! HTH :)

[B_Final_Bob]

Fully agree with Pete, when you race at the sort of level like club racing, you don't have to have super motors. A good 12x2 would suit most classes, I use a BRM 12x2 in my 12th scale, and probably my touring car this summer.

Out of those motors though, I would probably go for one the new Peak/Orion motors, the bonus of more runs between skims appeals to me.

[Kev Cooke]

I may go for a 12x2 Modified from Peak/Orion then rather than a specific 12x1 Touring motor, as i am most deffinately not above the level of Club Racing

[Declan]

I now im a bit late at sending this but my brother runs a reedy kr and they or really quick they or awsomely quick.

[Kev Cooke]

Ah well i eventually got a Orion Revolution Modified 11x2 cos we are moving outdoors soon and i'll be using it in my B4

[Brettbeck]

i would go for the reedy kr....they are fast and reliable!

Brett

[Sam_Smith]

Just got an Orion Revelution and used the 12x1 HT 'touring' on standard timing, indoor in a B4 and it was quick and really punchy and i'll update when i've run it this weekend in my TC.

[cobra81li200]

Now people are prising the longevity of the V2. I have to say that I've been using the CS T0605 brushes for more than one year now with my 17T (controlled class) and 12T motors.

Man those brushes are awesome, they give a bit less power than usual 2 runs brushes (like Q-Brush from corally for ex, or 2/6 from Orion) but using very stiff springs you can get some torque back.

They're a bit pricey (about 8 quid) but they last more than 50 runs for RACE and a good 20 more for club race (as they're short they don't deliver as much power), so they're really worth it. Besides they're really easy on the comm, increase your comm's life and I hardly rebuild my motor before it gets 15 runs.

Before a big event, I just change the brushes if needed, skim the motor, do my things and put it on the car. It takes 2 runs (or 15 minutes @3V) before brand new brushes are broken in, but you can do it on the track during practice as they're really esay on the comm. Then I give my motor a really slight skim, just to get rid of the lines and use the motor like that. I found it gets better after 2 runs and is consistent for about 15 runs.

Another really good feature is that they don't suffer from overgearing and/or overheating. I've NEVER had a discoloured brush even during this very hot summer. The Euro drivers knows it also as 6 over 10 in the A main were using them.

All this just to say : the V2 might be nice, but they're not THE only solution, I prefer keeping my old motors and use my CS brushes, which I'm used to and like very much.

So if I were you I'd get the Pt, or a Core touring and use the CS brushes (careful they don't exist in laydown version... yet). For both Touring and Off Road a 12*2 Core with a bit softer springs and more timing should be good (4 marks on the sticker, and 3 for touring). Besides the Core are known for not having much torque, so they suit Off Road quite well.

Now just my 2 cents but I think I've got a good experience with those brushes as declan can tell you my motors are not bad.

[Richard Lowe]

I've just run a Peak V2 12x2 this weekend and can't praise it enough.
It seemed a bit sluggish at first but that's just because it took 10 runs to bed in :)
Two meetings, 14 runs later and the serrations are just about gone off the brushes with no comm burning, just brush residue on the comm :o
One quick pass on the lathe and it's faster than my KR 10x1 ever was ;D