Short wishbones

[SMTCA Focal Point]

Does anyone know when these will be on general release in the Uk.

Also has anyone run them on a wooden floor?

[nitro-head]

i know someone that is supposedly getting some but he won't tell me where >:( >:( >:(

i am looking for some too, supposed to make it a lot better.

can anyone PM me too please.

but don't forget john 8)

[Matt Brewerton]

They should be around any day now. There is a slight delay on T1M so it is slightly later than planned.

Matt

[Dan Reynolds]

i fitted the new short suspension on my Evo 2 today,
the shock mounting locations are all different now and they seem to make the suspension feel a little firmer, the rear ones are look very good cos changing the rear toe and wheelbase will be much easyer now they are mounted on the outside of the wishbones, i have to wait until 3/1/04 to try them out :( :( i'll let you know how they go

[ukmaxx]

Having just seen the new short wishbones run on Jimmy Maddisons and Dan Watsons cars at the Jubilee Arena today, I think they are a definite upgrade for the serious racer. The car changes direction quicker and was awesome through our left right chicane at full throttle.

[Dan Reynolds]

i have just got home from my first race with the new short wishbones and they were amazing, the car was so sharp, responsive and quick through the corners to the point where it was too fast....................................i think i need abit more practice

i can't recommend them highly enough, if you want an upgrade that will improve your car this is the one to get

[Robfo]

Do you need any other bits to fit the short wishbones, as well as the wishbones of course. Can someone tell me the part numbers of the wishbones and any other bits that are needed to fit them.
Thanks in advance

[Matt Brewerton]

You do not need any other bits, you just have to mount the pivot pins on the outside of the bulkhead. You may need to file some of the front pin holder away in which case if you don't have the plastic pin holders then you need to get some of them (the set is part no. 302042). Once you have put them on you will see what needs to be filed. The part no. is 302159 - front
303159 - Rear

(Note : These numbers are for one wishbone not a pair)

Matt

[Jonny Aird]

I've been told that when you switch from the normal wishbones to the short ones you need to go to a slightly harder spring all round.

Can anyone confirm this?

Thanks
Jonny :)

[Robfo]

Thank's Matt, shame about Ben and the other thread.
How much of an improvement are the short wishbones over the std ones?

[university_dave]

I've just ordered some so will have them on the car ready for CarpetWars next Sunday. Will be interesting to see what they come up with at the new venue, and also to see how the car handles it... :P

[Matt Brewerton]

Well hopefully there will be more room at the new venue ;D
The track will also be slightly larger so should be better all round. Not sure how the short wishbones will work, but like you I will find out on the day :P

Matt

[Dan Reynolds]

when i tried them last night i had harder springs on than before, but my setup was too soft to start with.
when i fitted the short wishbones it did make the suspension firmer so if you want to keep a suspension settings you might want to put softer springs on

[Dan Reynolds]

when you fit them you don't need any extra bits like matt said but i have mounted my servo alittle different, i have fitted it to the outside of the servo mounts so it hangs further off the chassis, ( i have put some foam tape on it to protect it from side impacts) this gives you all the clearence you need to mount the short wishbones without having to file or cut anything ;D ;D

i'll take some pictures to put on here if someone can send me a pm saying how to do it thanks ;)

[Matt Brewerton]

Thats a good idea Dan, I wouldn't personally risk it as I have broken too many servo cases as it is ;D

(I will update the FAQ with your idea)

Matt

[university_dave]

when you fit them you don't need any extra bits like matt said but i have mounted my servo alittle different, i have fitted it to the outside of the servo mounts so it hangs further off the chassis, ( i have put some foam tape on it to protect it from side impacts) this gives you all the clearence you need to mount the short wishbones without having to file or cut anything ;D ;D

i'll take some pictures to put on here if someone can send me a pm saying how to do it thanks ;)


Dead simple for me, I'm running the old T1 chassis. Makes the car much stiffer and more responsive yet predictable on carpet. Also, because the servo mounts farther back there should be no clearance problems there.

Roll on Sunday... ;D

[SMTCA Focal Point]

Has anyone tried the short arms on the plastic chassis? are there any clearance issues with the moulding bits?

I was thinking about building up an indoor car(wooden floor) with the plastic chassis and short arms. Flexible chassis/better bite form the arms, might work well.

[Matt Brewerton]

The tub chassis has almost an identical layout as the original T1 chassis so, as Tom said, the servo sits further back and you have no problems.

Matt

[Robfo]

Could someone PM a shop or website that has xray bits in stock.
Thanks in advance

[Matt Brewerton]

PM Sent

Matt

[jimmy-maddison]

with the shorter arms you need to run stiffer springs as i have done alot of testing on tarmac as i would generally run white springs i had to go up to light blues you also have to shorten the front link on the tower to the shortest as this gives you the same geometry as std then. you also have to shorten the rear link so its inline with the hinge pin

hope this helps
jimmy

[steven252]

matt, could you PM me where i can get hold of these too?

thanks
steven

[Xray Griff]

If you know any shop in the UK that has got any - get them. As far as I am aware they are completely sold out everywhere, even Centre Point do not have any left and it may be a while before they are back in.

[SMTCA Focal Point]

What lenght top links do you need?

They look considerably shorter than the kit supplied links. I had a look though my spares box and all my old links are longer than kit supplied.

[university_dave]

Try the rear links, they are the shortest on the car (bar the one that links the servo to servo-saver).

[Dan Reynolds]

i used the rear camber links for the pivot ball suspension, they were just the right size

Part number 303210 and they are 25mm long

[Petermarkphillips]

i used the rear camber links for the pivot ball suspension, they were just the right size

Part number 303210 and they are 25mm long


Exactly wot i did. You need some for the front as well.

[cobra81li200]

Shorter arms gives a lower spring rate on the wheel, so assuming nothing else changes, you'll need stiffer springs to obtain the same stiffness on the track.

Do not rely on what you feel when pushing the chassis down but mostly on what you feel when pushing one wheel up.

[Adam_Lock]

Any chance someone can PM me the name of a decent shop where Xray parts are readerly availible??? inclouding the new wish bones??

Cheers

[university_dave]

Got mine this week, so they'll be going on the car for a day of testing on Saturday and a meeting on Sunday.

Looking forward to seeing how they'll go...

[Matt Brewerton]

Adam-PM sent

[steven bough]

I asked a hobby shop to send me what ever i need to mount the Small wish bones on my T1R.Ive recieved the arms but also included is two metal hats type thing,were do i use them with the s/arms.I see one freind haS spaced his camber arms out on the shock tower ,simlar to the rear were you use the ball joint to keep the rear link parelell when altering the wheel base.
has any one else done this as i was wondering if that what the metal hat type things a for??
Also on the T1R do you after alter the setting on the front camber link/roll centre when using short arms?
i.e Jimmys post..
???
Thanks
Steve Bough

[Matt Brewerton]

I have converted my T1R to short wishbones without any other parts. I am not sure what these extra parts you have received are for. Best to give the shop a ring and see what they say.
I would recommend changing the front camber link to its shortest position for the short wishbones.

Matt

[Doomanic]

I did mine with no extra parts as well, all you need to do is swap the mounts from left inside to right outside and vice versa.



I would recommend changing the front camber link to its shortest position for the short wishbones.


Why, what does that do to the handling?
I have gone to the outside hole on the rear hub carrier, but that was for slippy carpet on Carpet Dragons.

[Matt Brewerton]

It alters the roll centre to better suit the shorter wishbones. Same thinking as is behind the new bulkheads (where the camber link is mounted on the bulkhead)

Matt

[steven bough]

Thanks Men!
Regards the roll centre-look back at start of thread under Jimmys post-he explains why,etc

Thanks again#
Steve

[steven bough]

To guys that only brought the Short wishbones.And put them on-Was there any issue with the turn buckles,how did you get round it?
as i was about to put the Short Wishbones on last night-then i read that you need the extra 25mm turn buckles-so i ended up not putting them on.

Yet ive read other people saying that they didn't buy anything else besides the short wishbones & mounted them o.k?

So far ive been told i need:
Short wishbones
25mm turnbuckles
Diferent shock towers f/r for extra roll centre hole
need spacers so camber link is in line withdrive shaft F/R
Alloy bridge-cut in half so it gives you an extra outer hole at the bulk heads(which was a mistake buying because the new rear shock tower should have the same extra hole)
also need more of the plastic pivots mainly for rear so not to have toe out..

Looking back i wished id never bother'd with the Short wish bones seem more trouble than they are worth-but now ive brought them i might as well assemble them..

steve

[steven bough]

perhaps im being to criticle & should just bang em on at st'd
???

[Matt Brewerton]

I have put them on my car as standard and they were a massive improvement. I have also been playing about with roll centres to try and improve it even more but that is up to you whether you do this.
Just chuck em on!!!

Matt