Moorespeed Cyclone

[Ben Cosgrove]

Coming soon the new generation of Cyclone.

Further details can be found here http://www.mirageracing.com/news.php?article=530

Full details on price and availability available soon

[Ben Cosgrove]

As well as all the parts listed on the HB website the car comes with.....

Rear Ball Differential - Aluminium Diff Halves, Narrow Pulley
Front One Way Diff - Purple
Front NEW 3 Piece Spool with Lightweight Steel Outdrives
Ti Nitirde shock shafts, Hingepins, Diff screw
New Ultra Low Friction 30 shore O Rings as used by Andy!
Front and Rear Anti Roll Bars

.....to name a few

More Details to follow shortly.

[c0sie]

Ben,

Dont mean to go abit off topic but it may help afew others aswell as myself..

With regards to the o-ring shore rating...what difference would we notice by using say the 50 shore that Hara uses, to the 30 shore that Andy uses?

Thanks

[Ben Cosgrove]

Hi c0sie

The 30 shore O ring is softer than the 50 shore O ring and is generally always used by the team.

I think Hara did a build guide with the 50 shore O ring but they eventually end up on softer in cooler conditions as the oil thickens a little the cooler the temperature.

Ben

[michael pro 4]

whats the part number for th 30 shore o rings:confused:

[Dan Hughes]

I have also heard that the shock towers are 1mm higher than the old ones. Not got the old ones to compare but the car is twitchy.

I have drilled out the nut side of the diff half to 2.5mm to prevent breaking diff screws. I hope this works and i will post back to let people know.

[Dan Hughes]

whats the part number for th 30 shore o rings:confused:

HP38723

[c0sie]

Dan,

Can you explain why you have drilled that out please?

Thanks!

[Dan Hughes]

Dan,

Can you explain why you have drilled that out please?

Thanks!

It was a tip from someone at the carpet world cup. They used to break diff screws every 3 or 4 runs but after they did this they never broke a diff screw in 4 days of racing. The only reason why i think this is was because it gives the screw more room to flex maybe. Im racing tomorrow so i'll report back and let you all now. The diff seems smoother also.

[c0sie]

Cheers for that Dan, look forwards to hearing how it goes

[Dan Hughes]

Cheers for that Dan, look forwards to hearing how it goes

Well all is good so far the diff was excellent today it stayed smooth all day and didnt slip at all. I did use the edit diff screw but im not sure if it made a difference.
Need to work on a few things otherwise the car is very good. I found out the other day that the new shock towers are 1mm taller than the old ones so it makes the car pointier.

[andyuk99]

Dan,

since your last post has anything broke ?

It is very hard to look at a car and see the design issues that come out when a regular club racer uses a car.

I am intresting in hear how good the drive shatfs are, do they bend, and was it reasonable in the circumstances.

Again drive train etc.

Do the wishbones survive to level you expect.

Thanks for any reply/notes

[Dan Hughes]

Only used it 3 times since then but its been bulletproof so far, the only thing is that there is some slop in the suspension already. The driveshafts are very good although i have not really tested them yet. Iv just been working at a setup to make the car better in the middle and off the corner. May try more caster. The only thing from a visual perspective is the front knuckles may be a little easy to break. But so far so good.

[andyuk99]

Thanks ..

Can you see the reason for the slop, anthing obvious .. assume it was ok when built.

[Dan Hughes]

Just a bit of wear really.

[jamrowls]

Diff screws are a major problem with cyclones! 7 in a month is just silly!

[Dan Hughes]

Take a look at my post near the top of the 1st page, iv explained what iv done to stop breaking diff screws. Also you could be building it wrong too much grease is a bad thing in some cases.

[Phil C]

Snapping diff screws is not a problem if you build the diff correctly and do not over tighten the diff to start off with. Tighten it until it stops slipping, no further. I have never snapped a diffscrew even running low wind motors (7x1).

[GAZ]

Ran mine for 2 meeting's now without any issues at all

[Craig]

Run my cyclone for a few months now on the original screw (not titanium) and havnt had a problem at all. Must be the way that you are building them to snap 7 in a month.

[jamrowls]

You built one of them ;)

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Hi guys

Just bought my moorespeed do i need anything extra with it

[spannersatcx]

batteries, motor, ESC etc :p

or do you mean spares?

Wouldn't of thought you would need any hop ups as that is all it is, completely hopped up (and expensive to boot).

You might want to consider a one-way for the front, just make sure you get one that will fit the version 2 drives, depends on what and where you are going to use it?

[kevin bissell]

Moorespeed comes with a one-way and a spool plus a choice of either one-way or fixed front drive pully so that just about wraps up the different options without buying any additional parts, unless of course you want to run a front diff.

Nice to see that they've reintroduced the o-rings on the inside of the shock collars to stop them moving... can I buy new collars for my Son's Hara edition without having to buy extra shock parts that I don't need?

If I fitted a battery strap would this affect the handling?

JPG - You can buy stick-on dust shields for the rear diff which will help keep the muck out, make the diff last longer and possibly reduce the number of times you have to strip it for cleaning. I recommend getting some if you're lazy like me. :)

Kev.

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I did mean spares
sorry should of made my question a little more detailed

Kev i will invest in the diff covers when i go outdoors for the slcc :D

Jon

[Stew Noble]

The diff covers don't work so great on the WCE kit, because of the thin pulley.
If you run the thin diff pulley I wouldn't bother with the covers, there ok on the older wide pulley though.

[kevin bissell]

Stew

You have far more experience than me but I have fitted the covers to both my son's Hara edition and my Moorespeed. I only finished spraying the shell for the car yesterday and haven't had chance to run it yet, are the dust covers going to cause me a problem when I get it on the track?

While I'm in question mode, could you let me know if the car would handle better with or without the anti roll bars at Aldershot.

Jon, see you at Aldershot on April 1st for the first round of the SLC Cup, I'll be the guy in the "G" final :'(

[Stew Noble]

Kevin,

My experience of the diff covers is that with the narrower pulley the covers can some times stick to the diff outputs and make the diff feel a little inconsistent.

If you make them yourself, you can get around this issue though by making a second cover bit with the same internal dia as the diff covers and the external dia slightly larger than the area on the output where the sticking occours. Then stick this piece on the inside (sticky side) of the diff cover.

I've found ,9 times out of 10 rollbars are the way to go outdoors, the general rule is to use a silver on the front and a copper rear.

[kevin bissell]

Stew

Many thanks for the advice. I understand what you mean about the dust covers, and your solution to the sticking should be dead easy to do. I would like to run with them because the diff is open to the elements, unlike my Pro4 which could go months without needing a diff rebuild.

Roll bars it is then... I might even make the "F" final :D

[kevin bissell]

Took the car to the track today for a shake down - it's brilliant!! :D So much easier to drive quickly than the Pro4 and set up was excellent straight out of the box.

One of the guys at the track suggested some slight tweeks which appeared to make it even better. :cool: No timing gear available so I won't be able to see a true comparison with the Pro4 until the club meeting next Sunday.

Stew, kept the roll bars on as you suggested and the car was glued. The dust covers didn't appear to be sticking to the diff outdrives but if I get time I'll modify them "just in case".

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Built the car really easy to build hopefully it be really easy to drive to and set up
lets see how the car goes on carpet at the weekend for the 2day event

[GAZ]

Anyone out there got any cures for oversteer on carpet? I'm currently using a 1.5block on the front with pink front and blue rear springs.

[TKohler]

ive noticed that general setups tend to use more rear camber than front, and this tends to make the car a lot more stable, personally find 2 degrees rear, and 1 at the front works... ive not found a problem with 'oversteer' as such, only the back end of the car stepping out at times, due to the setup (which the camber corrected) and outright steering lock, which i have limited to 60% to make the car less likely to oversteer or 'snap' mid corner

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Right guys need a little help with the diff why does it loosen off after each run the diff is all standard no upgraded bits on it

[c0sie]

Have you threadlocked the diff nut that the bolt screws into? If not id advise you do so.

Is the diff new? If so, are you mistaking the diff loosening for the diff actually bedding itself in?

Hope that helps a little?

[Dan Hughes]

After oversoming the breaking screw problem the diff in my car is smooth and tight. explain on here how you build it step by step.

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I built the diff like what the manual says so bit by bit

threadlock the diff now so i will see how that goes at racing on Friday

[Warren]

am i correct in thinking that the Moorespeed Cyclone comes with a 64dp spur, if so, what size is it? and if your feeling really generous what size would you recommend for 19T Rubber Tyres on a Medium track and a pretty open track.?

[Dan Hughes]

100 tooth. It should be ok on that size of tracks.

[Warren]

also whats the internal ratio? im asking this as my dad is in america getting me one, and i want to order the parts i need for when he gets back so i can start work, :)

[Elliott Harper]

2.4375

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Elliott

Is it possible to send me your set up from the two day event From carpetwars

Also does any one know were i can find a spur gear hub the part code is HB61324