Finals line up

[Steve Cann]

What did you think of the way the finals were sorted today?

[Mark Stiles]

I was more grateful than anything; gave me an extra 5 minutes to charge cells and rebuild the motor before final 1! lol.

I actually think its a good idea to have all the A finals together. means spectators can see the closest 3 races in 20 minutes, rather than having to wait ages.

The system seemed to work well; I trust it will be in use at the KO?

[nismo]

Liked it alot is all i have to say. Only spoilt today by a fellow 'racer' not bringing his transponder back on time. Thanks to Debbie and one of the spec lads (forgot his name sorry) as they got half of the laps back.

But yes the system was much better.

Regards

Nick

[Skiddins]

I forgot about the change to the finals, and combined with the 30 min break my cells peaked a bit early for my first final......by 50 mins! :rolleyes: :D

Skiddins

[johnbull]

I'm not sure I'm understanding this correctly.

Are you suggesting that all 3 A finals should be run in succession? This means 2 minutes between races normally. Even 10 minutes would not be enough to do all the things one does in between finals, and it wouldn't even be enough time for motors, speedos etc to cool down.

I can only assume that I'm understanding this wrongly.

Unless of course you have 3 cars and 3 slaves, one to see to each car. :(

[Mark Stiles]

Joe,

Basically, instead of running the stock D, C, B and then the A, followed by the 19t D, C, B, and A etc..., all the D finals are run together, then all the C's, B's and finally the A's. So the stock, 19t and mod A finals are run one after the other.

Obviously as all the classes and finals get 3 legs, you'll still get loads of time between each of your own legs.

Get it?

[Mark Stiles]

I forgot about the change to the finals, and combined with the 30 min break my cells peaked a bit early for my first final......by 50 mins! :rolleyes: :D

Skiddins

I had the opposite; I actually forgot to put my cells on for the last leg, so ended up going out with just over 3000mAh in the cells for my last final. Despite this, I somehow managed to beat Kerswell and win the leg. Everyone else must have been asleep or something! lol!

[johnbull]

Let me see if I'm understanding this right.

So this means that whatever group of finals you are in, you are on every 3rd race for the 3 finals. In other words if say you are in the A main in mod, you have the 3rd race in A (stock, 19t then you), you then have a maximum of 15 minutes before you are on again for your 2nd A main, and another 15 minutes for your 3rd.So in just over half an hour you have run your 3 finals.

This may be OK for guys in the A, B and C who will have enough cells and changing capacity, but what about some poor kid in the G who has only 1 pack of cells and 1 charger, and 1 motor for that matter. Even with 2 packs, if you run your first final on pack 1 and give it 10 minutes to cool down, you are only left with 20 minutes in which to recharge it for your 3rd final.

I have my concerns about it, but I may be totally wrong.

Certainly, the attraction of the KO Gp with about 2 hours between heats, as far as I am concerned, is the fact that you don't need to rush. You can do all the work on your car, then you can talk to people, have a sandwich or one of those super burgers, socialise, watch the racing, even have a snooze between heats. I like that.

Perhaps it's because I'm getting old. :rolleyes:

[MikeS]

Joe, I think the explanations are misleading you, although the authors will probably say "that's what I was saying", but here is a better one for you. Shouldn't change anyones time enough to create a problem for them, just changes the running order.

Normal running order of the finals:
27T - d
27T - c
27T - b
27T - a
19T - d
19T - c
19T - b
19T - a
mod - d
mod - c
mod - b
mod - a

New order:
27T - d
19T - d
Mod - d
27T - c
19T - c
mod - c
27T - b
19T - b
mod - b
27T - a
19T - a
mod - a

[Steve Cann]

I actually think its a good idea to have all the A finals together. means spectators can see the closest 3 races in 20 minutes


Well, I've seen just as many close C,D & E finals as I have A finals ;)

[johnbull]

Thanks Mike.

I'm thinking KO Gp and 3 finals at this stage. Your explanation clarifies, I think.

So if I'm understanding this right, the only difference is in the actual order in which each heat is run.


New order:
27T - d
19T - d
Mod - d
27T - c
19T - c
mod - c
27T - b
19T - b
mod - b
27T - a
19T - a
mod - a

Then again for the 2nd heat of finals, and again for the 3rd.

So in fact we still have the same gap for a chat, a pee, a chat, a burger, a chat, a nap, and another chat, between heats.

Excellent. ;)

[Steve Cann]

Somebody else took the trouble to type out a fuller explanation as I didn't really fancy attempting it :D

Mike, remind me to personally thankyou this coming week end...

[MikeS]

No problem Steve, your welcome. But good racing weather for the weekend would be really nice..... :)

[tcracer]

I think it's a gret way of doing it, as Mark says you can settle down and watch all the top finals together (if u aint in em!!)
Yet another great day at WLRC, even though my raicng wasn't at best.... thanx again Steve for being understanding, and will see you all in a fortnight.. :)

[Stel]

Seemed good to me, although it will probably take some getting used to. :)

[Mike Ingram]

Steve

The new arrangement is fine providing there is either a break between qualifying and finals or a large number of heats. My slight concern is getting batteries charged in time. Running in 19T I will normally be in a heat somewhere around the middle of the round. Being as naturally gifted as I am it is more than likely that I will be in the bottom final. If there are more people running in 19T than the other classes this could be the first final. On Sunday there were eight heats and I was in heat four. If we had gone straight to the finals I wouldn't have made it. I know I could pre-charge etc but with two sets of cells that's not really practical.

Cheers

Mike

[Steve Cann]

I don't think we'll be using this system for 'club' meetings on a regular basis...

We tried it Sunday to see how it worked as a possibility for use at KO GP...

As Mike (Ingram) said in his post a 'proper' break between qualifying and finals is really required to be fair to all... Which is not always possible...

[rc_jammer]

Another possibility Steve which also works very well in other classes that I have raced in is to run finals as normal but keep the A finals to the end of the round so run (if 27, 19 and mod are running) the 3 A final leg 1's to the end of the round 1 finals

so say

D 27
C 27
B 27
D 19
C 19
B 19
D mod
C mod
B mod
A 27
A 19
A mod

This way no one has to worry about charging times any different apart from maybe 5 or 10 min earlier except the A finalists for 27 as they would be on later and a little later for the 19 guys

Just a thought

[Sean Guy]

I think maybe if the weather starts to turn the "A" finalists arent going to be too happy. (probably wont affect me anytime soon) I dont know why it needs changing. The system works fine as it is everywhere I have raced.

[johnbull]

The system works fine as it is everywhere I have raced.

True. My opinion, for what it's worth, would be,

if it ain't broke, don't fix it.