Surikarn and TB Evo 3 Talk!

[Tamiya_Racer]

Having great talk about general stuff on the locked thread. brought it back to life but we'll try and keep more clear on the rulez.

;D

[KeithA]

Just a quick one. Why is the Evo 3 not a TRF kit? does this mean the Tamiya Racing Factory team have had nothing to do with the kits development unlike the TA04 TRF, TRF414 series and F103 TRF etc etc?

On this subject, does anyone know where there's a list of all Tamiya's TRF kits?

[johneiuk]

how much is the car and is it ok to use indoors as a touring car

[KeithA]

John - car is fine indoors, although, would probably go better ouside with the one-way in the front.

You'll need to ask your local model shop to get you a price or ring a few uk shops who may be able to help.

[johneiuk]

is it legal to race indoors with other people

[KeithA]

you've lost me there John!

If it isn't, you better get in touch with the BRCA!

If your serious with you ? then yes, it is legal although I would recommend joing a club.

Maybe you should post something on another forum.

cheers,

Keith.

[Tamiya_Racer]

as far as i know, of coarse its leagal to run with other cars, but i do know its not legal to run in anything like the Tamiya Euro cup.

:) hope i could help

Tarn

PS: KIETH come on Messenger :)

[johneiuk]

sorry i mean is it race legal that i can join a club and race it indoors with other people and thier touring cars

[Tamiya_Racer]

yeah of coarse! i do it all the time ;D

[Tamiya_Racer]

just stripped cleaned and rebuilt my car. had a few questions to anyone that can answer them

1) the front support between the lower and upper deck, where the shaft goes through has a space for a bearing like the same piece at the rear.
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there is only one bearing that size supplied with the kit if im correct. does it make a difference where you place that bearing, at the front or the back? and would it be worthing investing in another bearing that size for the front part?

2) Do people run the ARBs? im not 100% clear on what they are for and how they affect your driving. someone told me to ignore them becasue if you have a problem which results in you haveing to put them on is like a cover up.

3) the little red shimms supplied with the kit, can you buy them or anything simmilar to them?

thanks alot

Tarn

[KeithA]

Hi Tarn,

I can't answer points 2/3 (what are ARBs?) but regarding the bearing at the front, I can't see any advantage of putting one in - it would just drag the drive train down a bit. The shaft runs clean through the middle of the whole so isn't dragging on anything.

cheers,

Keith.

[Tamiya_Racer]

ARBs = anti roll bars :)

come on messenger

[John Davie]

I have tried the anti roll bars front and rear on the EVO III but to me it made the car lack feel and was never sure if it was going to grip or not in a corner.

May try a anti roll bar just on the front as on a few corners at Ashby im still getting too much steering when turning into a the entry of the corner with the EVO III Surikarn.

Tarnjit dont use text speak unless you want another thread closed.

[Tamiya_Racer]

sorry , i do it without noticeing :(

[Tamiya_Racer]

ive had my car about just under a month now and all my front one way gears supplied with the kit have been damaged a little :( is this normal? is there a way to prevent this ?

just put some links from the upper deck to the uprights on my car see how that goes.

just beat my PB finally got 17laps at bedworth with some mistakes... im happy now i want to be happier! a gear ratio of 5.2 ( 45/90 ) is doing quick for me , i freed up the transmission aswell. a problem i had was my car tended to enjoy rolling. when i clipped the curbs while turning that was it, my car would roll. im not using the anti roll bars is it worth it?

thanks alot guys

Tarnjit ;)

[John Davie]

By the sounds od it you have had to screws that hold the gear to the one-way come loose, i have had this happen once one my EVO III but never yet on my EVO III S. Best way to stop this from happening is to check them ever run or so. My EVO III S has run faultless so far without a single thing going wrong or coming loose and have set a new PB at Ashby of 17-308 with a stock motor.

[Tamiya_Racer]

well done :), is that the stock record?

[John Davie]

Nah Jimmy Maddison set that last year with a 18 lap run but for some reason the track grip level is not as high this year. Plus the fact Jimmy is one hell of a fast driver and just seemed to carry so much more corner speed than anyone else running a stock motor on that day.

[Tamiya_Racer]

evo 3 is going good, getting better i must say. im starting to get to grips with this now understanding how it works alot better. sometimes i wish i had taken it alot slower and taken my time but at least i no for next time.

if anyone is after spares i heard Tek racing* and skware* have a new line up for the surikarn evo. red parts gallore, red prop shafts, red gear cases, red shafts, red knuckles and arms... just about everything red!

at the moment my car is slightly under weight, resulting in me having to add weights on sunday ( my first national, BTCC ). im thinking aliminium weighs more then graphite is it worth adding some aliminium parts to up to the weight limit ?? if so which ones?

anyone else doing the btcc, you could lend me a hand if you reall really want to :) ;)

[john broomfield]

I do like the looks of the new Tamiya TB Evo 3, but you would think that Tamiya are great value for money(well the cheaper cars in the range like the M03 Mini are brilliant value for money), but paying £375 for it, I think is a rip off when you can get a TC3 which is just as good and the Factory Team Kit is a £100 cheaper

It just doesn't make sense at all! ???

[sparcman]

Hi Chaps,

I should have my new red anodised shock bodies/shock sets for the Surikarn Evo-III next week and the new Tamiya TRF setup board and surikarn red anodised tool set. I'll keep you posted as to what i think of these items! Cheers,

SPARCMAN

[g4t2]

I do like the looks of the new Tamiya TB Evo 3, but you would think that Tamiya are great value for money(well the cheaper cars in the range like the M03 Mini are brilliant value for money), but paying £375 for it, I think is a rip off when you can get a TC3 which is just as good and the Factory Team Kit is a £100 cheaper

It just doesn't make sense at all! ???


But is a FT TC3 really as good??? ::) ::) ::)

[Tamiya_Racer]

and you can get them alot cheaper then that price.

[Tamiya_Racer]

new PB at bedworth, put a monster out of the packet in. got it geared at 5.31ish ( 90/44 ) and it was quick.

17 - 307 with one hell of a big mistake.

felt really good

[John Davie]

Nice one , if all goes to plan i should be at bedrock from 2:30ish on wednesday getting in some track time before the racing later in the night. Will have to see how i get on after not driving there for so long.

[Tamiya_Racer]

yeah john that should be really good, quite a few people been wondering where you've ben actually . i was talking to jason and the usual lot. should be great to see another tamiya there. although i got some of my friends to come down, a ta04 pro doing good 17s and an evo2 ( finding it hard to get setup . so it should be fun.

:)

[Tamiya_Racer]

good days racing again, improved, new PB

17 304, nearly nearly an 18.

i won top newcomer award and won a personal transponder :o wheres the best place to put it becasue you are supposed to avoid cabon or something i was thinking right at the front of the bumper or left or right of the bumper. where do you have yours john~?

[tomlau]

The EVO and EVO 2 both used special spur gears.(please correct me if im wrong) but what about the EVO3

Thanks

[Tamiya_Racer]

the evo 3 has handles universal spur gears ;)

[tomlau]

excellent.
thanks tarnjit

[Tamiya_Racer]

remembe i said my car was slightly underweight... i was wrong it was underweight by 63g. ive seen many pictures of peoples evo3 S's and alot of the had gashes in the prop shaft where the steering is, who has this? is it just all to do with setting up your servo correctly?

thanks

[tomlau]

63g is only slightly underweight.
Last time i checked my 414 it was 1390g!

[Tamiya_Racer]

yeah 414 is a wicked car, my friend raced his for the first time yesterday its soooo light!!

i set a new pb aswell 18 314 finnaly got 18 laps and that was with a major flip and starting second on the grid!

Tarnj

[Remo]

nice one..... what motor and gearing were you using??? also whats the best tyres cos i may be there for the nationals... :)

[Tamiya_Racer]

monster gear around 5.35
p2k2 arouind 5.2 5.1

tires... whatever suites the weather i guess, cs22s sorex 28s is what i use.

good luck

[Tamiya_Racer]

i taken FTD in stock today! 18 311, but mainly becasue alot of the best werent their.

so far ive been running kitt setup exept 1 n 1/2 camber all round and suspension block B right at the back.

my goal posts are moving to 19t, so my plans are changeing aswell, i may be able to take top 3 in stock in winter series at bedworth.. but do i really want to risk sitting far behind the rabbits in 19t?

well i think im going to try it, proberly go for the matrix 19t, does anyone know how i should alter my setup becasue im going from 27 to 19?

thanks

Tarnjit

[John Davie]

You will have some fun slowing down for the hairpin if you still have the one-way fitted lol.

[Tamiya_Racer]

naaa course not! got rid of that , well its in my pit box for when i come down to ashby some time.
I want to see how you do on 14th mate, should be cool to watch.

Tarn

[John Davie]

You Might be in for a shock but enough of that for now :-X.

[Tamiya_Racer]

;D

[Tamiya_Racer]

Stiff ( no rude idea's please )



Stiffer!



dont think it can be that much better then the original , sure does look different though

[tomlau]

All the kai model stuff is sweeeeeeeet. I got a Speedway PAL barracuda with a load of their stuff on and it looks real cool. Shame its so hard to get hold of though, i really want the 414 chassis.

[Tamiya_Racer]

to be honest i think it does look way cool. but is it really worth the hefty price tags they come with?

[stulec52]

I got the Kai chassis set for my 3, but I don't run it outdoors, too nice !!

I did manage a win with the car outdoors last week with the kit chassis, first time out and I became Alberta Stock Touring Champ !!
not too shabby.
looks like my 04 pro and 414M2 will be taking a back seat for a while !!

[Tamiya_Racer]

yeah, very nice looking.

Where do you race your evo 3 then?

[stulec52]

I race in Canada, although I only moved here last year from Scotland.

I ran an 04 PRO before this, couldn't quite keep up with the TC3's so I ran one of those for a while, but I now have a 414M2 and my EVO3, hoping for big things this winter (indoor) season !!

[Tamiya_Racer]

Hey guys

Has anyone got any pictures of Surikarns Evo 3 chassis? or any other team evo3 drivers cars?
if so could you email me them

thanks alot :)

Tarnj

[Tamiya_Racer]

ok guys heres the latest update

After experienceing a few problems with the drivetrain ( stripping gears ) there have been some fix's, looking good.

First simple fix is the TC3 mod, using the TC3 delrin gears in your diff / oneway.

Secondly is reinforceing the gear, this is a very cheap but surely effective mod



cheers, sorry for the pics, enjoy

ill tell you how the 3 piece prop shaft effects the tranmission later when i have more updates

SuriTarn

[Tamiya_Racer]

i cant post pics of the 3 piece prop shaft or blu conversion kit, email me and i will email them you :)

[DA_cookie_monstA]

Put links up for them

[rocket ronnie]

Been lucky and got myself a brill car, but I would like to change to 48 dp is this possible and could some one tell me what the internal ratio is

[Tamiya_Racer]

cool car you got yourself there ;)

i dont think the internal gear ratio should change as you arent changeing the internal gears, just the spur/pinion/

i could be wrong

Tarnjit

[John Davie]

Internal ratio is 2.6 if i remember rightly and getting rid of the soft tamiya spurs and pinions and using another make like RW will aid performance.

[Tamiya_Racer]

Hey guys

I think the stock Castor on this car is 8degre right, has anyone tried the 5degre castor blocks made by square ? ? how do they effect your performance?

thanks alot

Tarnjit

[cobra81li200]

Nope, the C-Hubx on the TA04 are 8°, but the ones on the 414M and TB Evo 3 are 6°.

[Tamiya_Racer]

really! i always thought it was the other way.

thanks alot matey

[Tamiya_Racer]

could anyone offer me a good setup to get lots of traction indoors on medium grippyness carpet? Running stock with sorex 20 tires.

thanks alot

Tarnjit

[tomlau]

i thought the ta04 hubs were 4'. and that would be the same for the evo

[g4t2]

Anyone know where I can get a TB EVO 3 Surikarn for the cheapest? or has anyone got one for sale? PM's only please

[g4t2]

just me again, does anyone know who has the Penguin RC carbon back plate for the oneway in stock. Speedt**h don't seem to. PM's please

thanks

[Tamiya_Racer]

Just installed some great hopups on my car and here is a little mini review of my thoughts

Tech racing 3 piece prop shaft

http://www2.freepichosting.com/Images/421446750/1.jpg

All in the packet it seems awesome, u look at the instructions in the packet and its some japeneze writing with a tiny pic and you think, cant wait to pull it out and unfold it too see what to do! well you empty the contects and find that the writin IS the instructions! at first its a bit wierd to work out where things like the O rings go and so on but once you have it installed its very user friendly. You can adjust float by the twist of a grub screw thats accessable and adjustable while the car is in running condition. Its Very easy to remove the prop, again you dont have to do nothing, just loosen 1 grub screw. The dog bone itself is light! but the other 2 pieces are quite heavy .as they are supported by the motor mount bearing AND a bearing is included for it to be supported in the front stiffener They spin very nice with the gears. as you can adjust the float, you can have it so its bacically like a 1 piece or so there is a few mm float each way. This should protect your drive train through crashes.
It does sound quite noisey , but once you actually put it on the ground its quietened down quite alot... may br worth putting a touch of AW grease on the ends of the dogbone? ( would it..? )
It also comes with a new spur gear holder, its screw tightened to the actual peice of the prop and there is no wobble in it, it WILL also accept the original spur gear holder too, the prop has a very direct feeling to it.
Will give it some track time tommorow and compare it with the original prop. :) then get back to you


Tech Racing TRF Shock Spring Adjuster

http://www2.freepichosting.com/Images/421446750/2.jpg

to tell my HONEST truth, i brought these for show... -embarrased-.. they werent very expensive so i thought why not. once i installed them though they are EXELLENT. they come with a rubber o ring for each adjuster which gives the adjuster such a smooth feel when adjusting the spring. The indents on the adjuster make it easier to use also. Well worth the purchase.

Square Red Aliminium Gear Boxs

http://www2.freepichosting.com/Images/421446750/0.jpg
http://www2.freepichosting.com/Images/421446750/3.jpg

Yes , these things are the BEEZ KNEEZ! suprisingly they weight about the same if not less then the stock gear boxs! The look beautiful, easy to install, ridgid and VERY PRESICE. the pinion bearing fits in the case soooooo snug, no wobbling about at all and as the case can only be tightened to a certain point each time it does help with the meshing of the gear ALOT. it gives your drivetrain a smoother feel all around. it helps with the binding situation alot BUT there still is a linguring of the binding im afriad BUT useing the 3 piece prop Solves the binding situation! its great! it should do a lot of good for the handling of the car too i will tell tommorrow on how they do.

Bad points I REALLY DONT WANT TO SCRATCH THEM!

thanks alot

hope this helps

Tarnj

;D LOOK AT MY LINKS

[John Davie]

Quote "may br worth putting a touch of AW grease on the ends of the dogbone? ( would it..? ) "Quote

I would not put any grease on the ends of the propshaft dogbone, it would just attract dirt and muck and cause wear, bindup etc.


You need to get me one of those propshafts next time you order stuff from japan.

[Tamiya_Racer]

yeah i tried matey, i got his last 1 aparently, i got my eyes open for you though, no worries

[cobra81li200]

Tamiya AW grease is very good Tarnjit, I recommend you use , as it will increase the life of the parts (which will be almost impossible to get once worn out...). It's a shame so few people know it and still thinks it attracts dirt and makes the parts wear faster, because it's not the case.

I've been using it for three years now, and tried both the same parts with and without it, it does really work.

[Tamiya_Racer]

gave the parts a test
3 front flips
head to tail collision

1 way gear was undamaged.

the gearboxs made the car feel .. i think more responsive but im not too sure haha.

the 3 piece i couldnt really properly test as i wasnt against a clock. At first my car was slow and i was like huh whats going on? then i realised my motor was in need of new brushes and a skimm BIG TIME. couldnt give it new brushes but i gave it a nice skimm broke it in and the car was RAPID. it surely felt surprisingly quick but im not sure if it was the prop or not!

ill be able to tell you next sunday at bedworths winter series and be able to compare lap times with previous races.

thanks

Tarnjit

[cobra81li200]

Could you make a real crash test and hit a wall at full speec for us ?

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Tamiya_Racer]

i wouldve but just becasue you never said PLEASE.... its too late ::)

SORRY MATE

Tarnjit ;)

[Waco Jacko]

;D That 3 piece prop shaft does sound sooo very good!

Perhaps they'll make one for the TB02? ;D ;D ;D

[Tamiya_Racer]

Well i did hear and see another prop shaft in develpment in germany. it was a 2 piece prop and i think they also haad a 3 piece two but nothing certain about it.. its been a very undercover project.

I also heard tamiya germany have a new 3 piece promised to evo3 drivers but dont know when or whats happening with that


How did you like the hop ups Waco?

[Waco Jacko]

;D Pretty darn cooooool 8)