Results, Championship and Club Tables: Round 3

[MikeS]

Results for round 3: Bashley, are now all online at the STCC Website (http://www.clubmanscup.co.uk)
Thanks to Barry for the fast completion of the information.

You will also now find another of Ian engaging meeting reports, many thanks Ian.

And believe it or not, we may also have a round 3 gallery soon! That is as long as the camera and memory card dry out okay..... :rolleyes:

[BigJobby]

Can I have some points please???

There seems to me to be a problem with the scoring.

I only did round 3 and managed 3 laps. I therefore went and told race control to withdraw me from the finals, to make the listing make sense etc.. Then basically no one who was listed for the C final 19 T turned out to race so on the results you can see it says race cancelled and on the 1st one 4 DNS.

Everyone listed in 19T C final except Malcolm hall were awarded points for that round. I have none as I withdrew before the final.

So should they not have points.... or should I have some....... and if they do have points then in future rather than withdrawing from finals if I have a problem I wil DNS so I get some points at least!.

Does any of this make sense?

[MikeS]

Steve please contact Barry directly he will be able to sort this out for you, if required.

[Acer]

Sorry Mike but this final was not cancelled and I have the sticky piece of paper for the shield to prove it.Peter put his car on the track 2 out of the 3 finals and completed at least 2 laps,I discussed this with Barry and he assured me this counted.It's not about winning it is about the points and those who are prepared to put their cars on the track and risk damage being rewarded.Malcolm and Chris couldn't race due to problems but if this stands it will leave a nasty taste for those who tried.

[MikeS]

For goodness sake, if you have any problem with the points and results then please contact Barry, I am sure you will find that he will only be too happy to correct any errors.

[greyfox]

Sorry Mike but this final was not cancelled and I have the sticky piece of paper for the shield to prove it.Peter put his car on the track 2 out of the 3 finals and completed at least 2 laps,I discussed this with Barry and he assured me this counted.It's not about winning it is about the points and those who are prepared to put their cars on the track and risk damage being rewarded.Malcolm and Chris couldn't race due to problems but if this stands it will leave a nasty taste for those who tried.
Sorry Fred if my report suggested the final was cancelled, it is not my intention to disqualify Peter, or anyone else, from their rightful points or final positions. From the results I got this morning it suggested that no cars ran in that final, however from the championship standings posted on the STCC site it is clear that Peter has been awarded points for the meeting. I have to admit I don't watch every heat and final (and certainly didn't in the weather yesterday!) as I am racing and preparing my own car at the meetings as well. I rely on the results I get from the computer to work out what happens in the heats/finals I don't see, and in addition talk to other drivers about their races to get some further information. I always aim to get the report out on the following Monday so that is available for the STCC site as quickly as possible. In doing this I will have to employ a small amount of 'journalistic license' on occassions whilst still trying to reflect accurately what happened at the meeting overall. :cool:
Again apologies if I miss anyone's name out, or include something that is not 100% accurate, but it's the only way I am able to meet the deadlines I have set myself for the report.

[Acer]

Calm down mike,done it at the same time.Well not exactly the same time,i'm good but not that good.Besides it wasn't a critiscm or anything just a point.Lets be honest whatever decision taken over the weekend about anything would have upset someone.It may be worth remembering everyone who races has 2 choices about racing before the organiser's make any decision's.

[Acer]

Edit
Following reply from Ian have deleted message to Barry(i think).
:eek: Sorry Mike does this mean your not speaking to me now? ;)

[MikeS]

No Fred, no problem, my comment wasn't intended to be that strong, apologies if it seemed that way.
For every ones information the results are being re-done, the point you made Fred is quite correct, a drivers overall position on the day and consequently their meeting points are the result of their best 2 out of 3 finals. If you don't run in any finals you can't get any points! Apparently there were some people who after qualifying said they were not running in the finals, and so were removed from the system to allow the sorting to be more effective. However there were some who while they did not indicate they were not running, just didn't run and so were still in the sorting, and so scoring parameters, I am afraid this has to be corrected so there will be some changes to the results after these have been re-calculated, this is also likely to have an impact on the club totals but I'm not sure if it will affect the order till the re-calculations are all done.
Apologies for the oversight and mistake, I blame it on an excess of H20.........

[Acer]

Greyfox
You have a pm

[alltah]

hi,

I made a point of asking about this on the day i told barry i may not be able to run the finals unless my car dried out and i wished to stay in. I was assured i would still score my points as long as i met my obligations by staying and marshalling which i did. If you withdrew from the meeting and left then you would not score the points.

[Colin Williams]

It will be very interesting to see what the final ruling is on this, because if you remove all the drivers who didn't run in any of the three legs of the finals and assume they don't score points, then it makes a significant difference to the Club Championship results and will change the order from the current table. A quick calc suggests that;

Southend - Coastal - Eastbourne - Kettering

would change to

Coastal - Southend - Kettering - Eastbourne


Watch this space?

Colin

[Acer]

If I am right (may not be) it would appear by the rules that the points are scored for the finals,hence one of my lads doing a few laps in the finals for the club points,a risk in the wet but got a way with it this time.

[BigJobby]

I withdrew after round 3 but didn't go home till the end of meeting. I did that so it would be easier to organise finals knowing I wasn't going to take part. But if you get points even if you don't start any final, then I would have happily done that and marshalled it wouldn't of bothered me to simply pick up the points. There was one guy in the C final 19T who did a couple of laps each time to score points which was fair enough. He played the game, well done I say.

[jo90]

I thought it was only the top 3 in the club that scored points !

[greyfox]

This, from the STCC website, should hopefully clarify the inter-club championship points position:-

'The club championship will decided by taking the points scored by the best 3 stock, best 3 super stock and best 2 modified nominated drivers from each club. This is subject to change should the actual split be different from that previously stated.'

[HPI Pro4]

Acer :-

Must admit I was a little shocked I had won the C final 19t without being able to run in any finals, I also noticed 2 cars running in it, I have no problems with them being rewarded points wise for running that final and the win given to whoever did win, plus doesnt it mean the winner of the final gets a free entry to next years rd. ??

Chris M

[Acer]

Chris
Under the adverse circumstances I personally think that if the points are awarded for finals only then on this occasion this is unfair.
I personally would like to see points given to those that raced or attempted finals:If for example 17 of 24 possibles went out on track then they get the first 17 points positions,after this points are awarded in qualifying position so that no one misses out because many people like you had no choice not to run but you stayed and marshalled,anyone who left,opted not to run or was disqualified then they do not score.

[HPI Pro4]

thats what I ment, and agree with you on the matter, im sure Barry will sort it

[Graham Baker]

So as i understand it,for those who wanted to race but could'nt but still stayed behind and marshalled their final might as well as gone home with the others that had either blown up speedo's or shorted out recievers will get nil points.

[Trevor Akehurst]

Surely to qualify for points you must complete at least one lap to obtain a lap time. This would allow the sorting of positions in the event of more than one driver doing only one lap

You must also marshal all three subsequent heats, if you didn’t under normal circumstances you would loss your time therefore your points.

[greyfox]

Chris
Under the adverse circumstances I personally think that if the points are awarded for finals only then on this occasion this is unfair.
I personally would like to see points given to those that raced or attempted finals:If for example 17 of 24 possibles went out on track then they get the first 17 points positions,after this points are awarded in qualifying position so that no one misses out because many people like you had no choice not to run but you stayed and marshalled,anyone who left,opted not to run or was disqualified then they do not score.
Sorry Fred, but can't see this is an equitable solution. Taking it to its' logical extreme, if you are the only driver to start 2 of the 3 'D' finals, then no-one turns out onto the track for the 'C', 'B' and 'A' final you are suggesting that the lone 'D' final driver gets 100 points. Don't see that as fair at all, as the most points you would normally expect to achieve in the 'D' final would be 70 points. It is fine to be awarded that number of points, but not to be, in essence, 'bumped' up to winning the 'A' final and then claim 100 points.
Also I have to agree with Trevor's point, that to be seen to start a final and obtain points' your car must at least be on the starting grid, and cross the timing loop at the start of the race to register you onto the computer timing system. As it says in the rules on the STCC website:-
Championship Points will be scored by your overall meeting finishing position in the finals, in the event of a draw the FTQ will be taken into consideration in determining the actual result.
Surely you can't have a overall finishing position if you haven't started!

[Skiddins]

Are all the points tables sorted yet?

Skiddins

[Colin Williams]

Is there any update yet on what is happening to the results from Round 3 - are any changes going to be made?

Colin