Carpet Thrashnal 2006/07

[Jamie Nesbit]

May be this has been covered before, so apologies if it has, but can I ask why there are no trophies round by round at the Thrasnals?

At any big meet (100+) there usually are trophies for the first three in each of the finals. I am not good enough to be fighting it out at the sharp end but it is rewarding to end the day with a trophy in 'your final' even if it is just a bit of flash plastic!

It may not be an issue for the top racers, but for us also runs it's what it's all about?

Memories of races are short lived, especially the bad finals!, but that bit of plastic reminds you of the good ones.

Just a thought? ;)

[Andy M]

The trophy issue was discussed at the Thrashnal meeting last year. The main problem is cost. With that many extra trophies and increasing hall costs, it was becoming a problem to budget for everything.

The best thing I can suggest make some sort of official request to the chairman for him to bring up at the meeting for the next series.

Andy

[chrisb]

are there any more photo's from the thrashnals? there are excellent photo's from round one but thats it.

regards chris

[tcracer]

Any news on the format of this years Thrashnal??? will tyres and classes all be the same etc.... + any idea when the entry forms will become available

Cheers
L8 ;)

[Forum Fodder]

From what i understand the rules just need to be confirmed then the enry form will be out. I think it will be 3 classes this year with the addition of a modified/brushless classes to the other 2. I am hoping it will be the same tyres as last year. Dont think we really want to be changing to nother make of tyre or to pre-glued as the tyres worked well last year and most of us have set ups, and know what works.

[gaz_d]

Hi Leighton,
There is to be a discussion, thrashing out (excuse the pun) of the finer details tomorrow evening. Once these deatils are finalised I would expect Steve to have the entry form available fairly quickly.
From what I know and this is subject to confirmation tomorrow. This years series will consist of 8 rounds. The 27T and 19T classes remain and a Modified class has been added.
Tyres are to remain at the CS 22 and 27 rubber tyres. Sponsorship from CML and Microtech Racing has again been secured for this year.

Finer details including dates should hopefully appear shortly after the meeting tomorrow.

We have some new layouts in the mix as well as some of the favourites from years past :o)

Should be another exciting year and perhaps one of the biggest yet.

Oh and the venue will be the same as last year. The Christie Miller Sports Centre in Melksham. Don't forget to mention it to all the racers down your way!

Gary

[tcracer]

Thanks Gary for all that info, yep will remind the guy's over here of the venue.... can't wait to see the new tracks you have devised ;)
see you on wknd
L8

[chrisb]

Do you know if they have fixed the heating in the hall for this year or are we hoping for a milder winter. He.He.

[mcFabbers]

Following on from Gaz's message we had a discussion after club this evening.
Classes - 27T, 19T, and mod/brushless.
Sub classes for juniors, seniors(>40) and geriatrics(>50)
Tyres - as last year as people have them and know the setup, but likely to change to pre-glued for 2007/08 series.
Bodyshells - BRCA list (now that it has settled down)
Format as previous - no practise, min 4 rounds plus single leg final.
Dates, 8 Oct, 22 Oct, 19 Nov, 3 Dec, 14 Jan, 28 Jan, 11 Feb, 25 Feb

Should have entry forms available by end of week.

Any comments please let me know.

Stephen

[mcFabbers]

I will enquire about the heating, but I think that although there are boxes on the wall they don't actually do anything it maybe a case of hoping for a mild winter!

I will keep you informed.

[alan p]

Hi Guys,
When will the entry forms be available, looked on your web site and it is still last years one :( I don't want to miss the boat like I did last year

[Forum Fodder]

Best bet is to email McFabbers. The website wont be updated for a while as there is currently no-one running it.

Don't worry you have not missed the boat yet. The forms and details were only finalised this week. First race is 7 weeks sunday

[gaz_d]

With luck :cool: there will be information and possibly the entry form appearing on the BRCA website soon. Announcements will hopefully be appearing in both the magazines too. Work in progress on getting it on the CML site.

However, you could PM me your email and I can send you an entry form direct. ;)

Hopefully, I will be able to give some more information about the series after the meeting next Wednesday evening. There may be one or two tweeks re scrutineering/ race referees in the pipeline to hopefully make everyones racing more enjoyable.

Nothing major, as the series does not appear to be broken ;)

[wotcars]

Where can i get an entry form from?

[gaz_d]

Hi Andy,
the entry form is out on the streets and should hopefully appear on the BRCA site in the next few days, could also put in an appearance in the mags and the Chippenham Club Website.

If you or anyone else for that matter wants a copy emailed to you, then either send me a PM or email to gary.dyson@paradigmservices.com and I will send you a copy.
As of the meeting tonight, just over 30 entries have been received so far, with more on the way.

The message being...book early :)

On the subject of the series, the track layouts have been finalised for all 8 rounds with a mix of old favourites and new to test your talents :cool:

I believe a copy of the layouts will come with your confirmation of entry.

Should be another good year, so lets hope the fun factor remains and the racing remains close too.

[Forum Fodder]

Try this link

Thrashnal Booklet and Form (http://server.microlite7.com/~admin207/forum/viewtopic.php?t=145)

[mcFabbers]

The entry form and booklet are now available on the BRCA website in the touring car section.

[farmerdan]

I will enquire about the heating, but I think that although there are boxes on the wall they don't actually do anything it maybe a case of hoping for a mild winter!

I will keep you informed.

I worked there years ago and it never worked then. The roof leaked then too, but not at the five-a-side end where you lot race :)

[*JT*]

Hi, will I get a reply via e-mail or the post to say my entry has got to yourselves safely and all the spaces in my class haven't already been taken. Just wondering as I sent my entry off 11 days back and seem to have bad luck with the post these days.

John :)

[mcFabbers]

Just to say that we will be updating our web site once it has moved to the new ISP and putting a list of drivers up on it.

Also will be sending out information packs very soon.

[mcFabbers]

Thanks for the information about the heating.

A new roof was done last year August/Sept. Unfortunately there was a leak just over our track.

[farmerdan]

No problem!
I have been racing for a year now but at one club on carpet using foams... I quite fancy the challenge of the Thrashnals. Even if it is just to see how bad I am.
The whole rubber tyre thing and additive is still unknown to me... Is that a bad thing? Also is it too later to enter?? So many questions!

[*JT*]

Just to say that we will be updating our web site once it has moved to the new ISP and putting a list of drivers up on it.

Also will be sending out information packs very soon.

Cheers :)

[mcFabbers]

The list of entrants is now available on the web site - at the present time it is a complete list of drivers. I am working on getting it per class and also per round.

The track designs for the first two round are also available and the rest will follow shortly.

I am aiming to update the list every couple of days, time and work allowing.

There are spaces still, but entry forms continue to arrive daily, so if you have not entered yet please do so ASAp. Without an entry form I cannot provide you any form of status.

Looks like being another good Championship and look forward to seeing everyone in a few weeks time.

[chrisb]

Anti-clockwise first track should be fun, who's idea was that????

[Chaz Godwin]

Can you race 2 classes at one race meeting and also how many rounds are there to count as i can't find any info about this?

Chaz

[mcFabbers]

Yes you can race in more than one class. Just remember that you will also need to marshal both classes.

The chapionship is the best 5 from 8, with tie break on 6th, 7th, etc.

Trust this answers your question.

[Chaz Godwin]

Cheers Fabbers :)

Chaz

[Forum Fodder]

What will happen with the modified/brushless class if there are only 5 drivers (3 so far booked in for round 2). Is it going to be worth running the class?

[mcFabbers]

We do expect more in this class - unfortunately information has been slow in getting out about it all.

Anyway, as the situation stands we would almost certainly run the heat. The reasoning being that if all the drivers transfered to say 19T then we would need an extra heat anyway, so we might as well run them in the Mod/brushless.

We will review the situation again very soon as transfering to another class needs to be taken sooner rather than later.

[jnrtin]

I had a look at the entry list and it looks to be filling up well although I cant see a few locals in there,, Gaz, Ray Clark, Steve B, Keith R. I guess Gaz and keith are at a 12th national but what about the others? .

I would say give Modified a couple of rounds and people may swap to it as its porobably a bit daunting to begin with....

What do you think of a trothy for the top finishing club member both junior and senior with maybe only being able to drop 2 rounds. just thought it would be something for club members, seeing all the hard work they put in..

Should be a great series and I look foward to seeing the results

Joe D

[mcFabbers]

Have just got back from setting up and I am pleased to say that there are now plenty of mains sockets avaiable. The sports centre have added additional mains circuits and have a large number of sockets available.

See all the competitors in the morning.

[farmerdan]

Excellent! I'm outside now in my tent. :D
Probably bringing far to much stuff with me... Workshop is empty!!

[farmerdan]

Well I had a great day! Thank you.

One question though, a lot of people had laptops... why? I felt like I was missing out on something!! Is it to get race results or something?

[matthewyoung]

Thanks a lot, very good day and very well run as always. Its a shame that some of the older drivers have to abuse us younger ones.

[Forum Fodder]

I will apologies for my little rant, i was very wound up at the time and you were not the only one at fault. However there are some drivers that are quick and are able to post fast times, but when it comes to racing side by side do not understand how to conceed a corner when someone is on the inside and ahead. Spinning people around is not what it is about and the number of time this happened to me it got me a bit 'annoyed'.

Was maybe not the best of times to make my point, but i stand by that point, you and other need to learn how to race, and not just how to go fast.

PM me if you like and we can have a chat about it.

[farmerdan]

Don't worry Matt, doesn't happen often. Don't let it spoil your day.:D

[mcFabbers]

The results form todays meeting are now on the Chippenham Model Car Club Web site.

[morpheus30]

I must say I have to agree with forum fodder on the topic of driving standards, and in particular in the 27T stock finals.

These were not good finals to watch and not a good advert for our sport. Don't forget it is a sport and there was little sportmanship going round on sunday.

There was too much clipping and spinning around cars in front to make a pass, what ever happened to clean driving and making a clean pass. - it's a much more satisfying win!

I myself meet someone head on coming the wrong way around the track in the B final stock of all places, the impact was so hard my batteries parted company with my car and effectively ended my race on the spot.:(

This is not acceptable and cannot be classed as just a simple mistake, the driver involved should really know better - we were even told in drivers briefing that we should not go the wrong way round the track and this was meaning in the warm up lap before hand, let alone during the finals!

Anyway rant over

It all got a little bit crazy and frantic out there! Come on drivers clean it up a bit.:o

[chrisb]

I am not condoning poor driving standards but I thought it was a very tricky track design for any meeting let alone round 1. With the format of no practice and for most people not having driven on carpet for 6 months. Looking at the track design for round 2 I think it will be a lot more forgiving.

Anyway many thanks to Stephen & his crew for yet another good start to what looks like another excellent championship.

[jnrtin]

Good to see that last years 27t winners have moved up to 19t and are having good sucess...

As for driving standards, the first round of a championship is always a bit hectic :mad: but im sure it will settle down. Qualifying heats will be better matched for round 2 which is a major issue in 27t as the times are all so close...

How was it driving anti-clockwise ?.

[farmerdan]

I thought it was a really good track.
At club I have only ever gone clockwise so I wondered what it was going to be like and I can't say I found it any different.
Next track will be faster, I look forward to seeing the mods run on it!:D

[alan p]

Must agree driving standard wasn't great but I've raced with worse :p , a great meeting though thanks to all those who help make it run as smooth as it did, I can't wait for the next one :D

[big steve]

A big thanks to all involved with the first round of the thrashnals. A perfect start to a new series and new class ( I wasn't expecting that :D ) I would like to voice one concern the issue with the tape lifting this affected both qualifying and final there is nothing worse than losing a good time/finals position when its not your fault:( one idea if the track design (good as they are:) ) could take account of where the carpet joins are so we cross the tape rather than running along the edge of it where possible maybe this could be avoided or at least reduced. Sorry if this sounds like a moan its not meant to be i just want to see good fair racing for everyone. As for previous comments about driving standards there is no excuse for bad driving but accidents do happen lets keep the championship clean and fair. See you all next time.

Steve Davies
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[gaz_d]

Steve, I am in total agreement re the tape, however, in mitigation, the track was put down with the apex of corners a minimum of 1 metre from the tape.

There appeared to be only two problem areas and these were both started when a car with protruding screws went round the track lifting tape here there and everywhere.
We all have a duty of care to ensure our cars do not damage the track surface, hence the dedicated approach to enforcing the 5mm minimum ride height.

Maybe a pre-check of cars before they are allowed on the racing surface may reduce the problem in future. Something to look at for the future maybe.

Nice to see old friends and new faces at the series. I hope the few small issues did not detract from the enjoyment and fun that prevailed for the majority of the meeting.

Hope to see you all at future rounds.

Gary

[farmerdan]

Well I had a great day! Thank you.

One question though, a lot of people had laptops... why? I felt like I was missing out on something!! Is it to get race results or something?

Can anyone answer this? If not I may just take my laptop so I can at least look like I know what I am doing!! :D

[Forum Fodder]

Fabbers normally has a wireless network at his meetings and if you have fab client on your laptop and a wireless link, you can get the race results.

Unfortunately there was something up with the network for round 1, which i think was part of the reason why the scoreboard was screwed up. Some most laptops were either playing music/dvd's or playing virtual RC.

[mcFabbers]

Almost agree with comment from Forum Fodder.

There was one laptop which worked fine for the day, but for some reason no one else was able to connect, as Martin says most of th laptops were either playing music or virtual racing!

The scopreboard works on a different frequency using its own seperate wireless link. Initially we thought that it was the wireless link playing up, but even on cable it went wrong. We have some udpated software for the board and will be trying it again this weekend.

So if you bring your laptop we can load up the software and hopefully connect.

[farmerdan]

Cool. I would like to try it if that is ok.
I have an old laptop knocking about that I have put a load of setup sheets on and all that jazz. The wireless seems to work on it, so hopefully it'll be ok.
Can I download the software now from somewhere so I don't have to pester you on the day? :confused:

[Chaz Godwin]

Very good race meeting today, liked the track a lot :) . Tape didn't come up nearly as much as last time and driver standards have also got a lot better :). Do you know when the championship positions will be posted up, or will they be posted up after 5rounds have been done?

Chaz

[chrisb]

Top class Fabbers, the results are already up on the web site.
Good day, good track and excellent organisation as usual, I just wish I could stop shaking & drive better.
See you next month

Chris

[mcFabbers]

Thanks for the comments.

Championship - looking at getting this posted this week, obviously it will only really take shape when people have competed in five rounds, however, in the meantime I am sure it will be of interest to everyone.

Track - another 'new' one and agreed we did not have so many issues with the tape this time, probably a number of reasons for that.

Anyway look forward to the next round on the 19th November. Please remember that paid up entries need to be received by the 11th November.

[Forum Fodder]

Also on the subject of points, there were two drivers today in stock who were not scoring any points, so everyone should be awarded points slightly higher than expected.

[JonboyGB]

Hi Fabbers, thanks to you and your crew for yesterday. Top class.

[farmerdan]

Well I had no end of running problems & breakages. Took 4 rubbish rounds to get it working right!! Still had a great day though. Well done all!! :D

[farmerdan]

Just noticed... HAPPY BIRTHDAY MCFABBERS!:D

[big steve]

Another big thanks to everyone involed with running this championship another well run meeting. I am still finding the transition to 19T a challange but enjoying every minuite and i hope it stays this good for the whole championship. A message for chrisb you only know you are enjoying yourself when you start to shake. Pressure can have that affect (i hate you davies :D ) Finally a well done to leighton a well driven win i think this is going to be a good champinship!

Steve Davies
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CML Distribution Team Scream Yokomo

[tcracer]

Cheers for that Steve, Yep I really enjoyed myself , think I got to grips with new car!!!!, I think it's going to be a great championship yet again... as said the track was really good this time, and also seemed to be a little less work carried out between rounds.... Cheers again to McFabbers and his team.. always look forward to coming across the bridge for this event :)

See you all on the 19th ;)

[tcracer]

Cheers for that Steve, Yep I really enjoyed myself , Also enjoyed running commentry on rostrum between Steve + Chris :p ....think I got to grips with new car!!!!, I think it's going to be a great championship yet again... as said the track was really good this time, and also seemed to be a little less work carried out between rounds.... Cheers again to McFabbers and his team.. always look forward to coming across the bridge for this event :)

See you all on the 19th ;)

[Forum Fodder]

A point raised abot this series in the Touring car section of this forum about the series. What if anything will happen next year to the classes if the class structure at BRCA national level is butchered in ways being proposed at the AGM?

[Oggy]

i agree with rest of you. for a first time out at chippenham i was very impressed with how the meet was run and would say it was one of the best ive been to in ages:D really looking forward to the rest of the series with a new car and 19t, looks like its going to be good:D

[Forum Fodder]

Does anyone else think that the series should allow the CO27 and X stock motors in stock? It would seem that they have not been allowed (yet) by the BRCA, but it also seems that motor builders are fast running out of green monster parts. The builder i get my motors from has run out of cans, and has less than 50 arms left, and he is not confident he will get anymore. EA motors in America have not had monster parts now for 12 months. These other motors are legal in other countries and so epic are not going to make motors for just the UK, and they are basically forcing the hand of the national bodies to allow them, but it seems with the talk of stock being dropped before the AGM, the rules for stock motors were over looked. Other series such as Carpet wars are allowing the inclusion of these motors. Microtech only have 5 Trintiy monster motors left that are in their clearance bin, and it would seem that the Trinity 'CO27' motor has Monster written in big white letters on the label. Surely a sign that it is a replacement.

I have no problems running to BRCA rules if that is what is decided, but surely we can have a bit of common sence when we have issues like this?

[JonboyGB]

Hi Martin,

Yep, like you I have no problems running to the BRCA rules but I have only one decent tuned 27t motor left which is being used for the Thrashnals. If something goes wrong with it then I’m screwed. The use of the new breed of 27 turns would be most welcomed as far as I am concerned.

Laters :D

[mcFabbers]

Following the BRCA and EFRA Meetings I would like to get people views;-

Stock Motors
Change the rules to allow additional motors which are not on the BRCA list, the posting from Forum Fodder covers the reasoning, which is basically the fact that the existing 27T motors are getting difficult to get hold of.

Modified
Comments on adopting the EFRA 5 cell 1350g rules would be appreciated.

The club has a discussion on Wednesday 15th and your input to this via PM's or email would be most welcome.

It is envisaged that the outcome of the discussion on the 15th will be announced via this forum and at the Thrashnal meeting on the 19th with a view of implementing any changes for subsequent rounds, i.e the current rules will apply on the 19th.

[farmerdan]

With Monsters becoming harder and to get hold of surely they will have to be allowed soon. I'm all for it anyway.

[Forum Fodder]

Well as above i think the CO27 and X stock should be allowed. Careful with the X stock thou, as the XX stock is ballraced and should not be allowed.

[gaz_d]

The current supply of homlogated motors is at best scarce. There was a similar lack of supply earlier in the year with 19 Turn motors. Things did improve and as far as 19 Turn motors go there are currently fewer issues, even if one or 2 appear in shorter supply. Whether a similar change will occur for the 27 Turn motors is open to debate.

The Thrashnalls do run to a relaxed set of BRCA rules to keep racing competative, whilst keeping costs down and without removing the element of fun. There are issues that DO need to be resolved. They are best left off the forum and can be discussed at the meeting on the 15th (the correct place I believe).
Whatever decisions are taken should then be announced on the forums and at Round 3 to capture the widest audience and could then be implemented either at Round 4 in December or at Round 5 in January. This giving time for all racers to react to any changes.
Hopefully, those who have any ideas or an opinion will attend the meeting to voice their concerns and views.
See you all there.

[KRob]

Just for the record.


EA motors in America have not had monster parts now for 12 months.
Not true
Microtech only have 5 Trintiy monster motors left that are in their clearance bin,
Not true

[wotcars]

I say just put a max price just as the BRCA price limit then any 27turn fixed timing with bushes

[Forum Fodder]

Sorry if I got it wrong Keith. I checked the website earlier and you had 5 motors left, last week they were shown on your website front page as a clearance item. I might be wrong on the EA monster bits, but i was told that by a BRCA official who has spoken to EA about the issue.

[KRob]

Hi Martin,
I see where the confusion comes from now.
The banner that says 'Clearance lines' is a link that will take you to that section.
The items below (with pictures) are not in the clearance lines, they are the products we are making customers aware of at that particular time.
I hope that makes sense :)
It has been a little while since we had EA monsters in, but it is nowhere near as long as 12 months.
Should have some more in around a month or so.

[Forum Fodder]

No worries. Maybe the time scales talk about were time since they last had parts delivered rather than complete motors in stock, who knows, but it would seem that epic are at best slowing down production of the green monsters.

[farmerdan]

Anyway... When do we get to see the next track layout?? :D

[Chaz Godwin]

Was ok today, but the track was extremely bumpy in a few places for some reason :confused: . Finals were a bit of a mare. I qualify 4th in the A and a get smashed to last :( . Can we pleeeeeaaaase have a proper starting grid. It would only take a minute to lay the grid with tape. Maybe 1.5-2m between cars or the straight divided up into equal distances (say 30m straight 2.5-3m between each car)?

Chaz

[mcFabbers]

Thanks for the post.

Track - yes the bumps appeared overnight - probably due to some dampness in the carpet and the cold overnight weather.

Grid - no problem with doing a 2m grid, or even 2.5m between cars - anybody object or have any comments?

See you at the next one on a couple of weeks.

[mcFabbers]

Just to say that the results from round 3 are now available online.

[farmerdan]

As long as you keep the arrow telling me which way I should be going, I don't mind!! :D

Carpet bumps were a "challenge", but end of the day it was fair as we all had to endure them! :rolleyes: Looking forward to the 3rd! :D

[TBO2R]

I qualify 4th in the A and a get smashed to last

That was partly my fault Chaz. As you say, the grid was that close that we all arrived at a 90 degree corner at the same time. I did try and brake but with a centre one way and a front one way I just locked the rears up and spun out. Sorry. I am definately up for a larger distance between cars for the finals. It will reduce carnage by a large margin. I watched a lot of the finals and not many had the whole field making turn one with no contact.

[TBO2R]

On a positive note. Still a good day and again superbly run by Fabbers and his crew. Cant wait for the next one.

[Forum Fodder]

Am i right in saying there were some discussions about the legality of bodyshells today? I have had a look at the rules as it simply states


190mm bodies as per BRCA list for touring cars

It doesn't say that these bodies must be cut to BRCA rules or that the roof height, wing dims etc has to be to BRCA rules, just that you must use a shell on that list. Are we changing rules mid season? As I will need to trim my 'painted by Tallbloke' wing down a bit, along with half the field have to change something i would imagine.

If we are taking BRCA rules that literally, can we have the standard 3m grid spacing. And yes that would mean the grid would not all be on the straight, and 10th on the grid today would have started not far away from race control.

[mcFabbers]

No change to the rules envisaged.
However, people should observe the "as per BRCA list" and not use bodyshells not on the list.
With regard to dimensional issues we plan to check dimensions more thoroughly and advise, not penalise. Fundamentally people should be running within the spirit of the rule. The rationale being that some people may go to a BRCA national and run the body believing it meets the requirments only for it to fail on some technicallity and then the phrase "well it was okay at the Thrashnal" rapidy appears. Hence people are likely to see advisory notes in relation to bodyshells and not loss of time.
Judging by R3 scrutineering failures people need to make sure screws are not loose on the underside of the cars. Several tears in the carpet have now unfortunalety appeared, which is not good.
Grid - we have used the 2/1 grid for a couple of years now - it gives 3m between cars on the same side of the grid, without needing 30m. We shall be aiming for a 2 or 2.5m distance between each position at the next round.

[JonboyGB]

Just to say that the results from round 3 are now available online.

cool. thanks stephen. does that include the championship positions?

[TBO2R]

I would like to add to the wing debate. The wing issue came from some one who is so desperate to win that he is trying to turn the carpet thrashnall into a BRCA winter series. If we all cut our wings down to please one person where will it stop. He will then complain about the position of the wing. Then he would complain about the way the shell was cut and also the height of the shell etc, etc, etc. The simple solution is that this person aquires the same wing that most of us are using and cuts it to the same size as the competitors that he has a problem with. Believe me when I say thats quite a few of us. If cost is an issue I will buy it for him. The same person accused some of us of practising on Saturday in the previous round. If we go to BRCA to the enth degree then half of the competitors will have to buy new shells, because this person will not stop in his quest to loose people their times.
Please lets see sense and keep this championship relaxed and fun like it always has been.

[jamrowls]

My vids are up at www.jamrowls.com

[gaz_d]

Sounds like everyone had fun at the weekend. Did I miss something good???

Lets hope the next round is just as much fun as we enter the festive period!

[tcracer]

Great to hear it was another great round, really gutted to have missed it, having been stuck in hospital :( ... hopefully now i'll be fully fit and ready to go by the time the next round .... so will see you all there ;) ... Good result for you Chaz, glad to see you back in the 'A' final

[mcFabbers]

Apologies for the lack of updates on the website - our ISP is experiencing some technical issues. As soon as we can update the website we will.

I am looking to finalise the heats on Wednesday evening.

[alan p]

Apologies for the lack of updates on the website - our ISP is experiencing some technical issues. As soon as we can update the website we will.

I am looking to finalise the heats on Wednesday evening.

Steve did you get my cheque for the next round?
Sorry i posted it late :eek:

[big steve]

Apologies for the lack of updates on the website - our ISP is experiencing some technical issues. As soon as we can update the website we will.

I am looking to finalise the heats on Wednesday evening.

hi mcfabbers any chance of a track design as well so we (can have a sneaky practice at club;) ) know what to expect on sunday in case we want to make any final tweaks before sunday:D see you all on sunday

Steve Davies
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[mcFabbers]

Heat listing and Timetable now on the website. Track design to follow tomorrow.

[JonboyGB]

Great track for round 4. Provided some VERY close racing, very cool.

Cheers to all the Thrashnal team for another well run event. Look forward to see the results and championship table.

[robh]

Hi All,

Sunday the 3rd was my first visit and it will not be my last.:)
Really enjoyed my days racing, well done to everyone involved in running the meeting, very profesional, great time keeping, great track.:D

Thankyou Chippenham car club.

[mcFabbers]

The results fromround 4 have now been posted - apologies for delay.

Championship points to follow.

Entries for round 5 must be received by 6th January 2007.

[Chris Green]

Hi Stephen,

Just letting you know, the page for the B final 27T doesn't seem to be working?

Cheers,

Chris.

[mcFabbers]

Thanks for letting me know.

All fixed now.

Apologies for any inconvenience caused.

[c0sie]

Can anyone confirm that they have received my entry form and cheque for the remaining events please?
Cris Oxley - 27T

Sent it...umm..early last week I think but cant see owt on the entry list for those days.

Cheers :)

[whoopass]

Hi guys, can I turn up Sunday morning and race? I have not prebooked in 27T.
thanks

[c0sie]

Roughly what ratio are people using with a 27T TS Roar?

Thanks :)

[Chaz Godwin]

I told you on Friday Cris:rolleyes: , 7.2 :)

Chaz;)

[c0sie]

Legend :D

[c0sie]

With only afew days left till the next round, does anyone know when the heat list will be posted up? And the track?

First 10th TC race on carpet in 18 months..I need preparation :D

[farmerdan]

In the past it has been the day before (Saturday) either afternoon or evening. :eek:

[c0sie]

Chriky, thats abit close for comfort!

[mcFabbers]

The entry list and track details have been ammended/posted for Round 5.

Apologies for delay, but a fair few last minute entries and changes. There are 111 booked in and we have 12 heats so should be good.

Can i just remind everyone in the 27Turn class that the motors are as per BRCA list.

I am working through the heat list and will post ASAP.

[mcFabbers]

Hi guys, can I turn up Sunday morning and race? I have not prebooked in 27T.
thanks

The championship is pre book. However, we have taken some people on the day in the past. Please note that there is basically one place left in 27T, also turn up on the day and you could find yourself in Heat 1!!

[Chaz Godwin]

That is one fast track :eek:. Just hope there are no bumps on the track (especialy the sweeper), seem to have been plagued with a few in the last couple of meetings :( .

Chaz

[alan p]

Dont the bumps add to the fun :D nothing like getting some air

[gaz_d]

Hi guys, just got back from building the track, it looks even faster when down and not on paper:eek:

Yes there are a couple of bumps, we have stretched the carpet as best we can and they have been minimised to a certain degree.:(
We are hoping it will flatten more over night, so fingers crossed.

See you all tomorrow

[c0sie]

Loved the track, and had a great first Thrashnell :)

[TBO2R]

Well I had a dire day but was not the only one. It was a great track but I could not find a quick time on it. Superbly run by fabbers and his crew again and I can hopefully bounce back at the next one.
Only one minor gripe which I mentioned to Steve and that was, people turning up late on the line and parking behind someone that was setting off after them. The result was I was turned around on the start line twice and had the car next to me tuned around in front of me so I only got of the line once in four qualifying rounds. Hopefully the marshalls can sort this out at the next meeting and just help in getting everyone lined the before the heat starts.

[robh]

:eek: Well what a track.

That was a real test of skill and you know its hard when you see half the A final drivers crashing.

Top day racing tho, thanks to all involved:)

[jamrowls]

The video is up at www.jamrowls.com (http://www.jamrowls.com)

[Chris Green]

I really enjoyed my first Thrashnal. Thanks to Chippenham Model Car Club for a great days racing. I thought the track was great. It seemed to give everyone a good challenge.

Looking forward to the next 3 rounds!

Chris Green.

[Chaz Godwin]

I hear you Dave, i was one of the cars which got hit and stopped you from going when your number was called :( . Definetly not the greatest of days to for me, 1st round interference, 2nd round severe glitching, 3rd round had to learn the track and 4th round i got a ok run to get 17th. In the final i got 4th in the B although i lost a lot of time due to a 'body-tuck' (say about 8secs+) which was locking up the back wheel :( . Track was fast and to be honest the bump on the back sweeper didn't really really effect lap times if you hit it (in 27t).

Chaz

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[jnrtin]

Come on Gary that carpet still playing tricks:'( .... It was a nightmare last year, so i feel for you as it must be hell now. Good to see large numbers still attending and you all seem to be enjoying it. Video's from jamrowls are great, makes me feel like im still there.......

Well must continue my seach for 1300mah batteries... Joe D :)

[gaz_d]

They would be Sanyo batteries Joe not IB or GP's!!!

Look for them next to the YR4's and SST's

They are in plentiful supply!

If there isnt any electricity there yet, take a torch!

See you still have the club in your sig, pay up your membership ya tight wad, it's due now!!!!

[c0sie]

I have a friend who wants to race at Sundays Thrashnells, 27T, if there are any spaces.

Does nayone know how many spaces are left, whether he can book in on the day, and if not how he could book in asap to get himself a place?

Thanks :)

[c0sie]

*bump*...

[c0sie]

Is anyone from the club alive or reading this?

After me telling him how great the Thrashnells is, hes desperate to get entered for the race on Sunday and time is ticking.

I tried ringing Steve yesterday evening but had no joy.

Any other ideas would be marvellous thanks.

[TBO2R]

cOsie.

Try emailing fabbers. He is difficult to get hold of on his phone but I have always had success emailing him as I think he can check his emails remotly when he is working away from home.

[jnrtin]

Come on gaz, do u know how may kiwi $ it would take to get a cmcc card. Only just finished paying 20p a week for last year... Thinking about taking up rugby seeing as I have the build....:D Sorry totally of topic

[c0sie]

Email sent, thanks :)

[morpheus33]

Q How late can you stay up before a thrashnal and still drive ok in the morning?
A We will see 2morrow.

PS track layout looks busy, should have brought my 12th:)

[chrisb]

That depends on what time you need to get up in the morning.

[morpheus33]

Well got up at 5.30am and drove from gloucester to melksham for 7.30am.

Just made the stock A final in 10th, so maybe if I went to bed earlyier I could of TQ'ed (yeh right!):D

Used a monster stock all day as I felt it better suited the tight twisty track, ended up on 7.30 final ratio, but I reckon 7.4 would have been better if I had the spurs to suit. Any one else use a monster to make the A?

Not sure if that was the best way to go, or whether I should of stuck with the ROAR motor instead on 7.50, although it did not seem very good in the first run.

I'm off to buy a few more in between spur gears.:D

[c0sie]

Got up at 5:30am, picked Steve up in Tuffley at 6:00am, picked Chris up in Highnam at 6:30am, got to Chip for 7:30am *yawn*

Q: 5th in the 27T C final, finished 8th :(

Motor felt gutless all day really, ROAR running an FDR of about 7.9 I think. I know Chris was running his Road around 8.2 and said it felt fine.

[gaz_d]

I ran a EA Monster stock all day. Geared on 8.00.
Felt a touch overgeared in the final but was not too far off.
For those who wish to know, I used F Line brushes with red springs for both the positive and negative.
I did contemplate running a Roar stock and would have probably put that on around 8.3. Didn't bother as this meant a spur gear change as well as pinion change. :o/

[TBO2R]

I was running closer to a 9 to try and get some punch

[Chaz Godwin]

I'm running about 7.3-.4 on a Roar with X1 brushes. Motor doesn't come off hot, has plenty of punch and a very good top speed ;), i've used this gearing at every round so far this winter.

Chaz

[KRob]

I did contemplate running a Roar stock and would have probably put that on around 8.3. Didn't bother as this meant a spur gear change as well as pinion change. :o/

Top job......That's my boy ;)

[morpheus33]

Maybe I should have kept my monster on 7.5, after all if Gary was on 8.00:eek:

I did not think I could get the straight line speed out of it, even with a TC4FT shaft drive car.

I normally run a ROAR on 7.5 and that seems just great, loads of speed just don't slow down too much in the corners or it will bog down.

Gary, what cells do you normally run? IB4200 1.23volts +++ I suppose.

[Forum Fodder]

1.23V+?? maybe it they are old cells or he has found someone matching a 40amps

[c0sie]

Hope the bloke who's IB's exploded in the hall was ok
*fear*

Anyone know what had happened?

[mcFabbers]

The web site now includes the results form Round 6 and 7. Championship positions will follow shortly.

Exploding cells - no damage done other than to the cells. Thanks to all those that assisted with the incident.

[morpheus33]

Great track for 27T last sunday :D but prob too fast for the mere mortals in mod. :eek:

very fast although a little punishing for anyone getting the corners slightly wrong, mucho air time! (can't say I am a fan of bot dots/disks as corners)
but also marshals had to cross the fast lane traffic to get to anyone, not so good.

but on the whole a very well run thrashnal as always!:cool:

[c0sie]

Loved the track design, liked the fact that although the straight/sweeper combo was mahoosive!! it was still tight and technical through the infield.

Glad to see the Gloucester boys mixing it up in the 27T A and B finals and mod too :)

[Sean Guy]

Hope the bloke who's IB's exploded in the hall was ok
*fear*

Anyone know what had happened?

I think he's fine , just a little heart murmour and a lump in his undercrackers.
The reason they blew was 1. Dodgey charging methods or faulty charger (he's not sure which) 2.Cells shorting out on thermos flask and 3. Being dropped on floor from table height.
No-one was injured and very little damage was done if any.
If anybody was with the understanding that this was a cell fault or fear for the future reference the charging of IB's then I hope this helps.

[c0sie]

Ahh, cheers for that Sean. Damn those metallic Thermos'!

[Sean Guy]

Just a quick BIG Thank you to all the organisers and helpers at Thrashnalls this year. Alot of hard work and time has been given by all of the above and I would like to say that is hugely appreciated by myself and my 2 sons Jason and Jamie. Great trophies aswell.

[Coppins999]

As the season is over now, I'd just like to thank everyone for a great Winter of indoor racing. To all who helped run the events, you worked very hard and I'm sure all us racers appreciate it much more than we say. So to you, many, many thanks.

Also I'd like to thank my fellow racers for providing great racing at all levels. Whilst I'll never aspire to the top, it's fantastic to watch those with the skill I envy and watch the up and coming youngsters.

cheers to you all

until next Winter

[c0sie]

Agreed.

First Thrashnell ever, and first ever TC carpet series ever.

Great team, great venue, great event.

Suggestions for next year? Race referees..otherwise it was a blinding event :)

[mcFabbers]

Many thanks for the kind words on the forum and all those that spoke to me yesterday and of course to all the competitors.

Basically as long as the competitors enjoyed it then we are happy - after all that's what we are trying to achieve.

We will start sorting out the rules and regs for next winter soon as we need to get them out to the magazines early summer to get them in the magazines in time. We appreciate your feedback so either post it here, PM or email me.

Presentation was probably the best yet and thanks to all those that stayed for it.

I will be putting up the results and pictures very soon.

Thanks

[TBO2R]

Superb event as usual and expertly run by fabbers and his crew. fanatastic sponsership as always with some really good prizes. Well Done.

On the down side. Please do not make the rules as ridiculous as BRCA. What you had at the start of the season was brilliant. Now the fun is starting to go out of it as we head in the direction of making it a full BRCA national.
The chippenham club has strived to make it a fun event and it always has been due to your pragamatic approach to rules. Now Im afraid the fun is starting to disapear as more and more ridiculous rules are introduced.
Apart from this event is second to none and i will definately be back providing the rules and regs are within reason.

Dave

[Forum Fodder]

I agree Dave. I think the series should remain in the relaxed atmosphere that has been associated with it for years. Personally i would bin the bodyshell gauge as what difference does it really make? If something is obviously wrong, then a word of advice to get it changed is enough, but to be told your shell is 1mm too low only serves to get people backs up, and what really is the advantage on the track? I am guessing but i think all of this stems from the petty complant that was made about a wing earlier in the season, which was cut down and actually made no difference to performance at all, and still beat the person that complained.

The rules at the start of the season were, 190mm bodyshell as per BRCA list. Thats list not regulations. It then seems that mid season the gauge appeared.

[mcFabbers]

Thanks for the post Dave.

We certainly will be ensuring that the rules and fun aspects continue to complement each other. We need to ensure the fun element is maintained or enhanced and the rules provide a level playing field for everyone to compete. Not always an easy balancing act to perform, but I am sure we will achieve it.

The principle rules need to be in place to ensure there is no advantage gained and this is the approach we have taken to date. Expanding the coverage of rules to 'other' areas is therefore something we wish to avoid. Notwithstanding this car construction progresses and refinements are constant and rules and regulations evolve to ensure that the principles of the sport are maintained.

There will undoubtedly be changes to the rules for 2007/08 - those changes will hopefully encourage more to race in the Championship as opposed to deterring people.

More details will follow in due course.

[Sean Guy]

With reference to rules I thought all was good.
I had a time dissallowed in the last round because I lost my bumper due to being pushed into a barrier , I had a screw which had come out and then was lower than "the bar". I realised that this bar was the ridehieght gauge and accepted this decision and walked away.
On the other hand I also noticed that driving standards were well below average in the last couple of rounds due to people now looking at doing well in the championship. Wherever there is competition you will allways find over eager competitors and this is an area I feel should be addressed for the future.
I was actually accused of purposely marshalling slow for a competitior to gain a friend an advantage. I was in fact ensuring my son was doing the right thing and waiting for the car he had hit (whilst actually being in front of him on the clock and not being allowed to pass) This is how some people can get carried away with an occasion.
I think Stephen and his crew did a fantastic job and tried to keep the fun element into this championship and already realise that they would love a referee at rostrum level , but this would also require an experienced referee and another very valuable volunteer.

[Chaz Godwin]

Has been a great championship as usual and i look forward in competing in the 2007/08 championship:cool: . Keep the rules and tyres as they are. They seem great and have a very good wear rate. Bodyshells seem fine to me. It's a hobby for lots of people and they should be able to run what shells they want. The bar which measure ride height (from my eyes) seems to be bent slightly (even though i haven't had a time taken off of me), there's a bow in it which is maybe .5mm difference in the centre (may i suggest getting a new one ;) ). Other than that i can't think of anything else to change.

Chaz :D

[TBO2R]

Thanks For you reply Steve.

[chrisb]

Hi.

Are the overall results available on line yet?

Regards

Chris

[liam c]

Will there be any extra classes added for the next championship? Maybe the Tamiya Mini's would be a good addition as lots of people seem to have them?
Liam
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[JonboyGB]

or 1/12th?

[Forum Fodder]

They have been tried before and they just don't bring in the numbers. I wouldn't have thought Modified/Brushless would be back next year either. Stick with the 2 classes that we know work I say.

[c0sie]

They have been tried before and they just don't bring in the numbers. I wouldn't have thought Modified/Brushless would be back next year either. Stick with the 2 classes that we know work I say.

Id have to disagree with that.

I can think of atleast 5 people from Gloucester club alone who would race 5 cell mod at the 2007-2008 Thrashnells....plus the likes of Grainger/Papespeed who I would presume would attend cos of the CML tie-in?

Advertise and promote it right and people will come.

I for one would enter Mod this time around if there was a permanent class at the Thrashnells.

[Chaz Godwin]

I might be entering it this year to (mod brushless), no lathes and faster....it's a win win situation :D . Just got to get the money first :o

Chaz