;D BRING BACK PRO10 ;D

[speedx971]

Hello Guys,
I'm JY, and i know it is not a 10th Scale circuit Forum or discussion but you run and practic a pan car and we got the same hobby and may be wish.
So It seems a lot of Racers are dusting off their 1/10 pan cars and starting classes. I loved Pan Car back in the 90's I just want to know what you think about this class and could it come back. Speak out !!!
But firstly, we have a new europe association or partnership who work on a biggest race of Pro10.We are about 10 guys in europe from every part to manage for a great come back and this big race "a GP EURO".
I'm the coordinateur of this partnership and i'd like have some help from uk racer.

Thank very much and discuss
:) :) :) mail me for more information

[al]

sounds cool but not starting racing to mid/late 90's i dont realy remember much but people sure do ramble on about these things !!! :o

[speedx971]

Yes or maybe for you Al!
But i've began in US and after in France and for years.....
But if it's sound cool, could you manage and guest your friend to speak out..
Thank you...
Oh if Pro10 bring back,we will run
Pro10 6 cell/stock or 19T
Pro10 6 cell/ Open but limited 12T
What do you think about?

[danielk]

HI,

for what my opinion is worth think you are on to a winner. Firstly, my 1:12 is 6 cell stock so that would allow me to come and do the class without having to buy new motors or cells. Same would go for the guys running tourers in stock or 19t spec class. Again little outlay as they already have the cells and motors.

I guess a lot of people will like to try something new but cost is always the issue. If, as you are, making it as small an outlay as poss then more people inclined to dip their toe.

I have read some race reports about 1:10 pan cars..personally i think they are great

[burgie]

the best thing about pan cars at the time, was the fact that bodyshells resembled real cars. I had a Fiesta RS Turbo on mine before getting a Jaguar shell all sprayed in the silk cut colours of the time. Mine was a PB Sizzler car, although Parma made one, as did a number of others. I presume these are what you refer to as "pan cars"

If they were to return, rules should be made to specify that bodyshells resembeled in scale, replica's of real cars, as close as possible.

[rich_p]

Id jump at the chance to run pro ten if there was a local club.

I never raced a pro10 but did race trinity street spec which were pan cars with identical batteries and motors etc.

I remember years back running a pro ten around a velodrome, was most fun!

If memory serves me correctly they were about twice the width of a normal 1/10 tc wernt they?

[Jonny_H]

All those with Corally CCTs or Assoc' RC10L3s, say "Aye!"

The 2WD series at WBMCC one winter - six of us with pretty silly motors in 10L3s - was awesome fun, and the Ashby Pan Car Challenge (all three of us!) looked fantastic with Le Mans-type shells wooshing into Parabolica.

Do the Pro-10 rules still exist in this year's Handbook? They did last year, and AFAICT the above-mentioned cars are eligible although at 190/200 mm they're a bit under the maximum of 250... wonder how much grip I'd gain at Ashby running to full width?

I think 19T could work well outdoors, but on high grip carpet I got bored with a 16x3 within a few meetings ;) and switched to a 14x2 for the rest of the series.

Unfortunately it does seem to be a bit dead just now, so I rely on clubs having "run what ya brung" rules to play with mine (Shipston last week, Ashby this weekend, maybe Bedworth at some point).

What happened to the CCT class in the STCC btw?

<edit> Just spotted this on the Ashby site:
Jun 20 - PAN / F1 Challenge Club Meeting - Outside - 10:00
Aug 1 - PAN / F1 Challenge Club Meeting - Outside - 10:00
So be there! </edit>

[B_Final_Bob]

I drove an ex-works Yokomo pro 10 that was bought for the princely sum of £25 by a friend of mine after the '98 worlds. It was the best car I have ever driven, it probably will always be the easiest and smoothest car I have ever had the pleasure of driving.

I would love to do Pro-10, but I don't feel it would become really popular again. :'(

[Mark Stiles]

If the speed and handling capabilities of my RC12L3 are anything to go by, then I'm sure I'd love racing pro ten! ;D However, money is the real issue!

I've never heard a bad comment about the class, and I do wonder why it died somethimes! :(

Is it still raced in other countries, or has it suffered the same fate in america/japan as well? ???

[John Davie]

As someone has already said the Ashby club is running F1/Pan car challenge meetings again this year. Instead of one meeting like last year we now have three meetings.

No championship as such to go for as the racing is ment to be for the fun of it only with these cars that so many drivers used to race and miss doing so. As for rules they are simple:

1 , Any type of F1 or Pan car can enter ( Pro 10's , CCT's , Tamiya F1 and GT cars inc the F201 , 1/12ths etc ) no four wheel drive touring cars.

2 , Racing is over eight minutes for qualifying and final/finals ( not sure what format yet )

3 , Motor choice is open

4 , Any cells you like but max 7.2volts ( think last years winner used 2000's )

5 , F1 , Sports cars or GT shells ( no BRCA legal touring cars unless you want to look really boring )

Anyone who wishes to race but does not have a F1/Pan car but still wants to see these cars in action can race their electric or nitro touring car as part of the club meeting under normal club rules.

Dates are as follows:

Apr 25 - PAN / F1 Challenge Club Meeting - Outside - 10:00
Jun 20 - PAN / F1 Challenge Club Meeting - Outside - 10:00
Aug 1 - PAN / F1 Challenge Club Meeting - Outside - 10:00

So dust off your cars and lets show people just what they are missing.

[Steve Cann]

West London still run a class suitable for Pro10 entries. Wish we could get a few more entries to make it a little more interesting.

[PDW]

Sole voice of discontent here.

No, please, not Pro-10 again. It died because it was four minute racing at IFMAR, and only the UK ran five minutes. They were stupid fast (almost uncontrollable for mere mortals) and would be even more stupidly fast with 3300s!! Modern circuits built for Touring Cars provide VERY limited overtaking chances, and plenty of chassis/body damaging crash chances, whatever motor is run.

Pro-10 is dead because it had very limited following, no longer had enough support, and is not an IFMAR World's Class. There was a reason for that - no one was interested in it any more as its time had passed. Let it rest in peace.

[speedx971]

Hello again ;D,
Thank to take part of this discussion....
To Danielk, a few rule should go out in a few month beacause 10 menbers of europe work on a big and great race.
The rule countain:
*PRO10 6 cell/ Stock or 19T
*PRO10 6 cell/ Open but limited 12T
and in debate a PRO10 4cell/19T
Me i'd like to know what do you think about and can you advise more?
Sino it's ture there are 2 class of Pancar Pro10 200mm and 235mm.
We discuss on because we do not know a way to push or mix the both class.
*Oh for the bodyshell, we don't want to run in SEDAN shell because in the past we have tried it and it was a bad idea@:
-less speed
-support out
no we can and it do not good for the hobby.But i take all advise.
To PDW, it's wrong Uk was the only one to ran PRO10 in 5min. All US,France,Holland,etc have ran PRO10 5min.
And for your information Pro10was and still is a IFMAR CLASS and it was the second electric on-road class.The last world of this class was ran in Japan in 2000.Ok..
And if we bring back Pro10,it's all drivers who want or wait a come back.
This class is cheapper than Sedan now,
It's the faster one electric class and faster a 10IC,"we can prove it"
and it's a fun and great class...
So i'm waiting all drivers in this country who want to take part of bring back PRO10 and manage a UK Team for a GP Euro Pro10

Please take a minute to put your Full name in your profile!

[danielk]

the best thing about pan cars at the time, was the fact that bodyshells resembled real cars. I had a Fiesta RS Turbo on mine before getting a Jaguar shell all sprayed in the silk cut colours of the time. Mine was a PB Sizzler car, although Parma made one, as did a number of others. I presume these are what you refer to as "pan cars"

If they were to return, rules should be made to specify that bodyshells resembeled in scale, replica's of real cars, as close as possible.


Running shells that resemble road cars would ge great. Especially if there was a class for older "retro" shells. Fancy blatting your pan car around with a replica Zakspeed capri shell on or xpack mk2 escort rs2000. Superb..

Surely running stock or 19t is not going to make them ludicrously fast.

[NiMo]

I think if you want to bring back Pro 10 you should forget the old cars and start afresh.
Restrict the cars to the 200mm style and keep bodyshells to FIA approved GT cars (Viper, Lister, Saleen, Porsche GT2/3, F360 etc).
Also keeping a limit on the motors would be good, 19t should restrict performance to enjoyable levels, anything faster would reduce the overtaking chances.

[Mark Stiles]

I love the look of the 911 GT1 shell for the RC10L3. Theres a picture on the CML website. It looks wicked!

[PDW]

Speedx - the rules may be in IFMAR for the class, but as you say it is not run an more. That is why I said it was not an IFMAR class - they only have rules no racing.

[speedx971]

Ok PDW,scuz for....It's true..
We talk around the world and it's my first country where drivers want to bringback PRO10 in 200mm and GT body but why do you think it will be a good way? ;D

[Jonny_H]

2 , Racing is over eight minutes for qualifying and final/finals ( not sure what format yet )


Fantastic!



4 , Any cells you like but max 7.2volts ( think last years winner used 2000's )


Erm, that would have been me then ;). I ran 1700s in qualifying (5 minutes) and had 2000s for the final - TBH, if I'd known it was going to be 8 minutes I'd have brought my 2400s along but in the event it wasn't a problem.

Unless my rear tyres are considered obscenely hard (they're Pinks, but a bit high on shore) I wouldn't bother with a motor limit - at Ashby I always have the torque turned way down, below 30A. The acceleration you lose is more than compensated for by not swapping ends embarrassingly out of every other slow corner! As a result, there's just no way I can dump it since it can't sit on the current limit for the whole lap.

Maybe a rear tyre shore limit would be a good way to keep costs down
though... and fairly easy to police, as long as you allow for ambient temperature?



We talk around the world and it's my first country where drivers want to bringback PRO10 in 200mm and GT body but why do you think it will be a good way? ;D


I can think of a few reasons:

1) RC10L3
2) At clubs without a separate class, you can hide it under a touring shell ;)
3) On small indoor tracks, a wider car would be slower and be harder to overtake with
4) RC10L3 :)
5) There's a huge range of 190/200mm bodyshells already available
6) RC10L3...

And I thought the present width limit was 250mm, same as a buggy? I distinctly remember Neil Goodchild running a CAT under a Pro-10 shell at one tarmac club meeting.

[PDW]

The width is 250mm under the old Pro-10 rules. However, at the 1996 IFMAR Worlds in USA, Associated produced a 200mm car - the rules stated a maximum width, not a minimum!! It didn't win - it did cause a stir!!

Speedx; I don't think bringing Pro10 back in any width is a good idea. However, if people want to turn up at a club and race a car, I think that is very good. In the USA, most club meetings have about 5 classes of car, and about 20 people turn up for each class. This way the club gets a good income, and is able to stay in business.

One problem we have in the UK is that we hold metings for only one class. This limits the numbers who come to race. If there are 10 people who want to race Pro-10 cars at Ashby, and this provides more money for the Ashby Club, they should be welcomed.

Pro-10 is dead as a National and International class. If it is still alive at the Club level and keeps people racing, I have a load of spares you can buy - and a complete Serpent 10 independent suspension car!! PM me with offers!!!!!! ;D

[Terry]

Pro10 has a very special place in my heart. I spent many years (until it's demise) competing at almost every BRCA National held around the UK. Those days were fantastic, racing with a great bunch of guys (and girls too!) simply the best years of racing anyone could wish for. I made a few National A finals and my brother was the UK BRCA Pro10 champion in 1992, so Pro10 is very special for me. As the 'sole voice of discontent' (PDW) says Pro10 only ever had a limited following, but that following was a group of really friendly and dedicated racers.

Those 'good old' days are alas now gone. As Peter says and I agree, Pro10 is dead as a National and International class. But it is still welcomed and raced at clubs around the country. The last time I dusted off my Trinity Pro10 and had a blast round a track was in a demo race at the super fast Brooklands circuit. Needless to say I scared myself with the mind blowing speed and acceleration that only a Pro10 has to offer... and that cornering speed and oooh so easy to drive!!! Thankfully my Pro10 driving skills were still present after years of 'tame TC racing' and I kept it on the black stuff and as always with Pro10 finished every race with adrenaline in full flow and trembling with excitement... WOW!!! :o You can't beat Pro10 racing for high speed thrills!!! ;) ;D

What concerns me these days is that electric on-road racing seems to be becoming a pedestrian affair with 27turn taking over at the expense of modified. Stock class to me is too slow so I would welcome a class with TC shells on a Pro10 chassis BUT with rubber tyres. Also limit motors to 19turn rebuildable motors, a bit slow for TC but fast enough for exciting racing in Pro10. It appears that the way racing is heading right now, that what I'd love to race in, namely super fast modified (or a brushless equivalent) is not what the majority seem to want to race. Maybe everyone wants it 'easy' these days the challenge of controlling a high-speed car and keeping it on the track at the limit of adhesion is considered too hard and requires too high a skill level. I for one welcome the challenge!!! 8)

[bob burr]

The problem with any type off car is when and where can you run them ? at a club meet anything is welcome Pro 10s, F1 even buggies, but if you have set a club championship up for scale 27t and 19t what do you do with someone who turns up with a pro 10 ?

[NiMo]

The problem with any type off car is when and where can you run them ? at a club meet anything is welcome Pro 10s, F1 even buggies, but if you have set a club championship up for scale 27t and 19t what do you do with someone who turns up with a pro 10 ?


This may help you Bob.
Due to lack of interest in Modified at Aldershot the modified class has been renamed GT/Touring, which allows 2wd/4wd/pan cars to run in one heat, with tires, motors and shells open (shell must cover wheels).
Even with this open electric class we still have yet to have any takers, 27 and 19 are the main EP classes.

[Terry]

Where's Remo he'd like a Pro10 revival!! ;D

[speedx971]

;D Hy guys,glad to see lot post and ideas, but now i'd like to know what are you thinking about a EUROMASTER RACE? It's a long and great idea of some drivers in Europe....But i can't tell you more but soon as posible you will be inform to this race...
Now i want to know if posible to have some helps from you UK drivers...to bring back PRO10.

[Mark Christopher]

i may have this wrong but please show your full name in your profile!

i am also confused as you talk like your outside the UK but your profile says you are in Surrey!!

[Woodchop]

If you had 200mm width Pro-10, then it simply wouldn't be PRO-10!!!!Wish I was around at Pro-10 time, they look awesome on the 98 worlds video.
I see Pro-10 as a class that was in the middle of 1/8 On-Road (THE FASTEST) and 1/12 On-Road(The Quickest). Least these two classes are still around. Just hope they stay around-especially 1/8!!
I for one don't understand the trend towards stock racing. It seems just as hard work as modified to stay at the top. Stock is not a spectacle and let's face it, we wouldnt really want to watch Schumacher racing skodas.
I support PRO-10 racing whichever level it is at.Having way too much power for the track is part of the excitement.....

[Mark Christopher]

take it you not seen the latest skoda's then!

[speedx971]

???To CARTERMAN:
Sorry but it's my full name "JY FERTE" "do you want a ID" and i live here in UK,surrey ,sutton SM39LN
So thanks

[speedx971]

:)Thanks lot Tim to support PRO10 whatever it is...
Sino i'm waiting your posts for my idea: A Euro RACE in PRO10

[studysession]

How fast do these things go? I was told they are much faster than the 4wd TC's.

[John Davie]

Same cells and motors as you use in touring cars but with alot less weight means far more speed.

So who is coming to Ashby to race in the F1/Pancar challenge ??

May have to get a Pro10 just for the hell of it.

[Jonny_H]

Thought of another argument for 200 mm: this is 1/10th scale, yes? Real Prototypes are 2000 mm wide, ergo 1/10th scale means 200 mm!

Jy: Personally, I'm not likely to be up for a Euro meeting simply 'cos it's too much effort and money to play with a toy car ;) - did the Belgian GP once, but generally I'm sticking to about an hour and a half's drive...

(And could you explain "sino"? I am not understanding...)

Studysession: depends on the track and conditions, but they're 1200 g instead of 1500 g and have just as much power, provided you can apply it to the track! Mine's only comparable to a quick-ish mod touring car around Ashby, but I'm not sure I've got the right tyres and I've never been a speed monster...

John: (was writing this and saw yours appear!) I'm intending to make it for as many of the Ashby Challenge meets as possible, probably two, hopefully all three.

[Andy Oldman]

also with no gearboxs to lose power through
they accelerate very fast indeed :o

[studysession]

Do regular touring car bodies fit?

[Jonny_H]

Do regular touring car bodies fit?


http://www.geocities.com/jp_hodgson/rc.html

The site's a bit old (created it to avoid revision! :D) but has piccies of my 10L3 with several shells, as well as an AVI of me fighting it round Ashby (before I figured out how to use the torque limiter).

[studysession]

Do regular touring car bodies fit?


http://www.geocities.com/jp_hodgson/rc.html

The site's a bit old (created it to avoid revision! :D) but has piccies of my 10L3 with several shells, as well as an AVI of me fighting it round Ashby (before I figured out how to use the torque limiter).



Nice pics - I have a Dodge Stratus I am painting and want to use on it. Thanks.

[Geraldo]

I remember the days of Pro-10, scale touring killed it off, i think and don't shout at me but the fact you could go into any hobby shop and buy rubber tyres off the shelf was the nail in the coffin.

I use too race GT's at Aldershot, basically Pro-10's down too 200mm, ran all sorts of shells Merc GT's, BMW M3, Lotus Elise, Ferrari and the Dodge Viper !.

See some of the pics at.

http://uk.f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/twinsbasiltwins2/album?.dir=/Baby+Pro-10&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//uk.f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/twinsbasiltwins2/my_photos




http://uk.f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/twinsbasiltwins2/album?.dir=/Mercedes+GT&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//uk.f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/twinsbasiltwins2/my_photos

Might have too cut and paste these links, the whole thing.

I asked for this thread too me move too it's own section, seem too have started a fire here, glad too see it.

I'm going too look a the dates and maybe go too Ashby for the pan car challenge.

The last time i raced GT cars was a couple of months back at bisley. www.lrrc.co.uk

It would be great to see the GT's/Pro-10's fly again, 3000's 12 turns.

I must dig out some of the old kit i have.

More pictures when i find them.

G.

[R]

Hmmmmm,

If we are going to Ashby, then I spose I had better get on and paint my Cobra 427 shell 8)

Afterall there is nothing like rampaging down the main straight with a big block ford muscle car to really liven up the day...

[John Davie]

Who still sells shells for these Pro10 cars ?

Just seen the price for the Corally Pro10 that you can still get but not sure if i can spare that much so it looks as though i may end up getting a Corally CCT pancar and putting a GT40 shell on it.

A light car like that and a 19t spec motor should be plenty fast enough for me.

[speedx971]

;D Thanks lot to the moderator to give us our own thread.....
Sino it's official that my team try to organise a Europa PANCAR race.And if you want to help us,just mail me,because we are looking for a place and good track where we can run POR10 and PRO12 as possible.
Sino my team take part of the biggest futur race of Pancar in the world just clik on and see http://www.fishermenstudios.com/uspc/.......
Eh yes,we do it, For March 2005,me i gonna race and i invite all drivers from uk to take part to this race.
Sino all my wishs are to bring back Pro10.I'll try to go to ashby or other race club and see what's happen but i'm very busy by this organisation in US and Europe. Sino i think it will be better to create only one class so that's mean 235mm and 200mm will run together and on 6 cell/12T.But we discuss on the shell...so wait for more information.

the rule for the US Pancar is:
- Pro10 6 cell/Open
- Pro10 6 cell/12T
- Pro10 6 cell/Stock
- Pro10 4 cell/Open (in discuss)
*
- Pro12 4 cell/Open
- Pro12 4 cell/Stock
*It will have a ovall class but more details soon

[johnbull]

Hi friends. greetings from Malta.

What can I say but just WOW!

If only!

You're not going to believe this but, here in Malta, in the last month people have been making noises about reviving F1. So last Saturday I dusted up my RC10 Pro 10 - just dusted it up, nothing else, and took it down to the track. It had been in the cupboard for 3 years.

It was pretty useless because the tyres had gone hard as bricks, but what fun all the same. So much fun that on Sunday I took my Corally F1 down. Again on ancient tyres etc. With 3300 cells and 21 turn motor I stopped simply because I got tired standing on the rostrum. After 12 minutes it was still as quick as the first lap.

Pro 10 was a brilliant class. I watched them some years ago at Mendip and also at the Worlds in 98. We raced Pro 10 here for many years, but it died 3 years ago like it did in most other countries.

What I would suggest is exactly the same rules - cells up to 3300, open motors, same style bodyshells, but 8 minute racing. What a beautiful dream.

Hopefully I can persuade son Josh to dust up his Corally C10X and bring it down on Saturday too. Now that would be fun!

Just reminissing, like an old man!

regards

Joe from sunny Malta.

[John Davie]

The entry forms for the F1/PanCar challenge at Ashby are now posted on www.awmcc.com ready for you to down load , from the interest we have had so far we are hoping to have at least 10 Pro10 cars so far and some F1 and Pancars.

Looks like it is going to be fun with so many cars if they all turn up for all three meetings.

[danielk]

Who still sells shells for these Pro10 cars ?

Just seen the price for the Corally Pro10 that you can still get but not sure if i can spare that much so it looks as though i may end up getting a Corally CCT pancar and putting a GT40 shell on it.

A light car like that and a 19t spec motor should be plenty fast enough for me.


CML are doing the rc10l3 and the porsche shell is superb to

[speedx971]

Hy Guys,
Does somebody can help to get the ashby track?
I live in surrey at Sutton so if somebody live around me as well,it will be great to meet you because i dislike go alone on a race.. ;D
Sino my team works hard to organise a big PRO10 and PRO12 race...
It will take place in France,on a indoor track.....We have tried both scale and it ran very well and fast..The club could receive about 200 racers and they have just raced the Corally Cup this week end where Ahonemi Simo won the Modified Class.More info on the corally site.
Sino does somebody know the ashby track and club race?

[axpayne]

Hi JY
www.wlrc.co.uk will run a heat for pro10 / f1 cars if they get a minimum of 6 entries. I will be putting my name down, but unfortunately not for the 1st round in a couple of weeks time due to other commitment.

[NiMo]

Aldershot will run Pan Cars in the GT/Touring class providing a minimum of 5 enter

[Barry_Hughes]

Ipswich run F1/CCT/RC10l3/Tamiya F201 with either F1 or GT shells every year in the summer with a championship as well!

[speedx971]

;DThanks guys for invitation to your track but i'm not england, and i don't really know the country so if you can help to join every track that will be great.
Sino guys for our big event on bring back Pro10,i'm looking for a track in indoor because the race will be run between November and December.....
So if someone know a good indoor track where we can run a Pro10 and a Pro12,mail me please....

[speedx971]

Guys,i have created a new topic here:
http://www.rcracechat.com/forum/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=10694

Please have a look because it's very and really important, it's for our hobby and i need your help.

[speedx971]

Good news for all racers who expect a day win a Pro10 race even if it's on 200mm or 235mm...
We have found a track,a date "oh it's in summer" and some good sponsor are in discuss...
I give you more soon........
Just make money and save it for August.........Because it will be the bigest european championship.. ;D
The race will not be a sanctioned one but only Fun and Fun..

[MikeS]

This thread is now locked, not sure about the direction it is going in!

JY, is you wish to post any more in this forum I suggest that you complete your profile as required by the forum rules please.

[Taz_S]

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