New Peak Vantage Motor

[TimG]

Well, I finally managed to get my hands on a new Peak Vantage motor - 12 x 1 HT and ran it last night.

The setup I ran is a XXX-4 running 18/92 gearing on carpet. All I can say is ballistic.
The motor did seem to get slightly warmer than my Krypton 12 x 1 with the same gearing, but it did seem have a longer, more controllable power band.
Another racer was running a 10 x 2 Peak motor in a XXX-s G+, and that was just stupidly quick. The car seemed to go from 0 to flat out in less than a metre or so of track and the top end was amazing.

The next things I will try is changing the brush and spring combination to see if I can squeeze any more out of this motor.

Summary: Get one now !!!!

[Ben Turner]

What was the brush wear like?

[tyreman]

Well, I finally managed to get my hands on a new Peak Vantage motor - 12 x 1 HT and ran it last night.

The setup I ran is a XXX-4 running 18/92 gearing on carpet. All I can say is ballistic.
The motor did seem to get slightly warmer than my Krypton 12 x 1 with the same gearing, but it did seem have a longer, more controllable power band.
Another racer was running a 10 x 2 Peak motor in a XXX-s G+, and that was just stupidly quick. The car seemed to go from 0 to flat out in less than a metre or so of track and the top end was amazing.

The next things I will try is changing the brush and spring combination to see if I can squeeze any more out of this motor.

Summary: Get one now !!!!

Don't change the spring or brush combination just yet try gearing up as you are about 4-5 teeth under geared as the gearing you ran is what you would run an 8x2 on!! I run my vantage 10x2 on 20/90 in the XXX4, give this a try, would be very interested to hear you thoughts and veiws on this

[TimG]

Ben - What brush wear !!!!

Tyreman,

I have tried higher gearing combinations on other motors and almost fried them.

Having had some feedback from RH (Peak team driver in USA - I think), his advice is
to go down a pinion and let the motor rev. He also advises me to try hard springs
with sprint brushes. ( only as medium/hard springs are not yet available ).

The reason I gear low is the track is quite short on a Thursday evening, so I gear it
accordingly. At the Sunday meetings, where we have a large track, I tend to go up
2 or 3 teeth. Still under geared compared to your setup.

I will try higher gear ratios, but on a gradual increase and let you know.

I do know that Tony Bloomfields starting point on a 10x1 is 18/92, which is what
I run on the large tracks. So I generally stay close to that.

If you're free on 30th November why not come to the off road buggy meeting at DMS
and we can compare and test each others setups. I'm always looking for ways to improve
the car and myself.

Wanna swap setup sheets???
See if we can help each other.....

[Ben Turner]

just to back up what tim was saying, i got one this morning (ordered it from a man called darren boyle last nite, great service), and put it on the dyno;

77.5 % eff
42095 rpm
241 watts :o

the motor looks stunning, with the red led glowing through the vents and all. I did 5 runs on the dyno and there is no brush wear what so ever, and the com is spotless.

Ben

[SunnySpoon]

Might sound like a silly question, but I cannot access the BRCA web-site from work, my question is are there motors legal yet? From what I've heard, and already being an Orion user, I'm interested in purchasing a new Orion V2/Peak Vantage modified.

Thanks.

[Doomanic]

According to the latest list, they are not yet legal. :(

[Ben Cosgrove]

These motors are fantastic!!!!!

I have ran many 'versions' dating back to april and they have been getting better! The first one I tried was fantastic.

I hope you all get to enjoy all the benefits that I have had with it!!!!

Ben

[Ben Cosgrove]

Oh and they will definately be legal for 2004 BRCA meetings!!!!!

[Doughty]

RH you talk about I am guessing that that is Rick Hohwart, and he was mighty fast at the worlds, though to be fair everyone was fast at the worlds, with my LRP car being the fastest! ;)

back to gearing, I ran a 10x2 at the worlds on 16x92 and this was dirt where you would normally gear up. (xxx4 g+)

[Ben Turner]

What sort of timing do you run on these things?
On cores and carreras in the past they came factory set at 24deg, but this vantage came set at about 12deg, it seem to be ok on the dyno at 24deg, but i know the best dyno is the track, and was just wondering what has worked well on them.

Ta

Ben

[TimG]

Doughty,

Yep, RH is Rick Howart. His feedback was invaluable.

I went down to a 17t pinion, changed the brushes to sprint and put in hard springs.
All I can say is "where did the straight go!!!!"

I have also advanced the timing to what I think is 18degrees, which is what I read somewhere in one of the worlds reports. I'm not going to touch these settings for a
while and see what damage I can do on the track.

Darren Bloomfield still beat me last night, but we did have a good scrap.

[Philippe Neidhart]

One of the key thing to reach maximum power is to have perfectly run-in brushes. Due the ultra low wear provided by the new endbell, it could take 2-3 packs to reach maximum performances.

[TimG]

Just received another email from Rick Howart,

The suggestion is to gear the motor around two teeth smaller to really acheive some grunt,
with no loss of top end.

I tried going one tooth lower and I did notice a difference in performance, I shall now try going down another tooth and see how I get on. All the advice from Rick has been spot on and greatfully received. He knows what he's doing !!!!!

[Philippe Neidhart]

Hello,

Thanks for the nice comment, Rick has some good knowledge and a lot of experience.

It will be interesting to see how it works with one tooth less.

Philippe

[university_dave]

I'm considering getting one of these, what sort of gearing are you running in a touring car? I can't specify a track I'll be running it on as it will be run in the Carpet Wars series indoors.

Some tracks and ratios used would be a starting point to see if I can get the gearing low enough indoors... ;)

[TimG]

Dave,

Based on what advice Rick has given me, I would suggest you try gearing a 12 x 1 vantage 1 tooth lower than you would a normal 12T motor. Then for the second run, go down another pinion and see if that was any better for you.

If you normally gear a 12T motor with a 25T pinion, then try a 24 with the vantage.

Tim.

[Philippe Neidhart]

Hello Dave,

I think Rick will be able to reply to this one ! But from what I know you can start with you normal gear ratio or one or two teeth less.

The motor has higher RPM due to the brush angle and by having a lower gear ratio you can get more accelaration with a great top speed.

Philippe

[Philippe Neidhart]

Sorry Tim,

I was writting when you posted your reply !

Have a great day,

Philippe

[university_dave]

Dave,

Based on what advice Rick has given me, I would suggest you try gearing a 12 x 1 vantage 1 tooth lower than you would a normal 12T motor. Then for the second run, go down another pinion and see if that was any better for you.

If you normally gear a 12T motor with a 25T pinion, then try a 24 with the vantage.

Tim.


Thanks, only problem is that I've not run a modified in any form for 2 years. I've been an avid stock driver for that time, but would like to try mod because I think I'll improve quicker with a faster motor.

I do need people's gear ratios so I can compare them to what I run my stock motors on, and to actually give me a starting point.

[Jean-Marc]

Hello,

Basic ratio with a 12 turn :

Small-medium track : 7 - 7.5

medium to large track : 5.8 - 6

[andrew swanson]

Hi my name is Andrew Swanson i currently work for peak performance/team orion USA. I have been doing alot of touring car testing lately along with peak/orions main motor builder derek furetani. I would like to share with you what we have learned to help inform the public on these new motors.


Timing- As far as timing goes these motors come stock from the factory at 18 degrees or 3 hash marks on the label. The label reads as follows 1st hash= 6 degrees 2nd hash= 12 degrees 3rd hash= 18 degrees 4th hash=24 degrees. Of course it will be off a little due to the fact that all labels aren't always put on perfect or centered every time but it will be extremely close. I recently tested at a race they had at so cal raceway in huntington beach california and i tried many things over the weekend and one of the biggest things i noticed was how much timing affects these motors. I started out running 24 degrees or 4 hash marks and my car was a missle but i had to run a very low gearing to acheive the torque i wanted which is why we have been reccomending gearing down one tooth from a standard motor. I then tested really low timing like (4-6 degrees and gearing up about 2 teeth) and noticed a dramatic change in performance. The motor created much more bottom end torque and didn't want to fade as much towards the end of the run. I also noticed the motor ran cooler and didn't discolor the brushes as much as high timing did. I liked the lower timing and gearing up very much and when i spoke with derek about it we both agreed it does the same thing. We reccomend trying this low timing and gearing back up we believe it is very good. I will say that higher timing or 24 degrees is definitely faster but it also burns brushes more and tends to run hotter and fade more and doesn't create as much torque. Also low timing allows for a broader gearing range.


Brushes- I did all of my timing testing with sprint brushes and that is what i have been running most but a recent test i did shows that endouros produce a great powerband and dont sacrifice too much speed at all but the upside is that they last way longer and are less hard on the comm. It is true that sprint brushes produce more power but burn easier and must be replaced more often. I also think if you decide to run high timing run enduro brushes they seem to produce the same amount of powewr as sprints at high timing. At low timing i like sprints better cause the motor doesn't get as hot and it doesn't burn the brushes as bad.

Another brush fact is that these new round brushes like erik said when burnt or old still produce the same amount of power if not more but give you less run time or efficency.

Break-In Our reccomended break in is at least 5 min at a run in of 2-3 volts. These new round brusehs take much longer to seat then old style brushes and require a long break in period at low volts and preferabbly on a fan to keep heat down. We dont reccomend using break in drops due to the possibility of burning the brushes or comm.

My break in procedure right now is with enduro's (harder brush) 8-10 min at 2 volts and with sprints (more silver brush) 5-7 min at 2 volts on a fan.


springs will be tested next week.

Hope this help answer some questions.

[TimG]

Andrew,

Thanks for that info. I've now got lots more testing to do myself to see what is the best setup for me !!!!

Just as you think you've got it sorted, someone has to complicate things ;D

It's just great to see that the factory guys are so willing to give us all the support we need.
Keep it up.

Tim.

[red5]

Hi Guys, Just got today a 10x2 modified plan to run it in a Losi xxx4g+ with a 92 spur and 16 pinion, already running it in on a Pulsar have noticed the the sound and retarded it to 2 marks on the scale as 3 factory setting was getting warmish Stu has a 11x2 and we plan to run these in on Sunday testing and then Dyno them so far very pleased with the quality of build and hearing the revs without the crackle of arcing brushes, I have tested and played with many motors and this has got me buzzing looking forward to feeling the power in the buggy thanks to all that have posted for excellent feedback on this new motor I will post results of Sunday soon after....Ian

[Philippe Neidhart]

Dear Ian,

I hope you will love it ! Please let us know your results from Sunday and it would be great to share your experience with us.

Have lot of fun !

Philippe

[PDW]

Phillipe,

What motor would you recommed for 4-cell 1/12th - which wind (I currently run a 10-turn) and which brushes/springs? Thank you.

Peter

[Philippe Neidhart]

Dear Peter,

The first big races for 1/12th will be in Cleveland, we will have some good informations after this meeting. But from what I know you can use 9 turns, soft springs and sprint brushes.

If you wait a little we will have some good feedback from David very soon.

It is nice to see you here !

Have a nice week-end.

Philippe

[tyreman]

Hi Guys, Just got today a 10x2 modified plan to run it in a Losi xxx4g+ with a 92 spur and 16 pinion,

I have just run my peak vantage 10x2 on factory timing in the XXX4 g+ and geared it on 20-90 came off with 200 seconds runtime on the protrac, motor was stone cold after 5 min runs and no brush wear or comm burning so much so that I ran the motor for the whole day 2 practises and 4 rounds of qualifying and finals so that was 7 runs without being touched. Did try gearing down but it just bogged the motor down, but in the last 4 years of being a peak sponsored driver I have never geared a motor as low as that, and never will again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Philippe Neidhart]

Heello Tyreman,

Waohh 200 sec left, looks great ! Have you used the Enduro brushes ? Original springs ? You can easily make one more week-end without touching your motor !

Thanks for the feed-back.

Philippe

[tyreman]

The run time I got from the new motors is only about 10-20 seconds more that when I ran the Carrera's the most noticable difference was that there was no mantainance needed, the whole motor was run as it comes out of the pack so brushes I assume were the enduro and springs were standard. tThe other noticable difference was that there was no "fade" evident at any point of the meeting with regards to top end or punch, where as the Carrera would need a skim after about 2 runs. The one thing I wish they would bring out for these motors is the quasar compound brush as this is what I run in the old motors and found them to have as much power as the sprint brush but the durabillity of the enduro brush so you get both maximum power and brush life with minimal comm wear!!

The gearing that I have been running on the vantage motors is IDENTICAL to what I ran on the Carrera the only difference being a little more top end and punch.

[Ben Turner]

I ran a vantage 12x1 HT (light springs, enduro brush) this weekend in my 12th, i geared it on a 22/69!! and pushed the car as hard as i could all race, and still had 72sec left in the cells. I left it in all day and it just ogt faster and faster, and run in the final had only dropped to 60sec! It was ballistic aswell. Well done peak!!!

Ben

[Philippe Neidhart]

Hello,

Ben, it looks great, was it 4 cells or 6 cells ? Have you not tried the Sprint brushes ?

How was your comm after the race ? Have you also noticed that the powerband was different from normal type motors ? I am not sure about gear ratio and 1/12th was it a high gear ratio ? How was your timing ?

Thanks,

Philippe

[Ben Turner]

It was 18 deg timing, with enduro brushes on 4cell. I wanted to try the sprint brushes, but they did not come in time. The gear ratio was meant to be for 5 minute racing, but they changed to 8minute at the last minute and i didnt have time to change the ratio, so i left it as it was, and the run time turned out to be fine, even when i was pushing i the last few rounds. The powerband was very good, which is why i think it was so easy to get the good runtime. The good runtime didnt seem to compromise the speed at all. I think the sprint brushes would of made it even better!

I have yet to inspect the comm, but i will tell you when i have.

Ben

[Philippe Neidhart]

Thank you Ben !

Is somebody racing with a Vantage this week-end ?

You are welcome to give your feedback !

Have a lot of fun,

Philippe

[trekkker]

hi philippe
ill be racing down at tiverton on the 7th dec,in a xxx4 what sort of gear ratio would you reccomend for an 11/2 ,thanks trekkker

[tyreman]

Probably 22-23/90 don't under gear it as you don't need much grunt at tiverton

[rebel]

Hi Trekker

We are running a 11x2 at present the gearing we started with was 22/90
we finished at 3A with 20x90. with std brushes and std springs.
I would look at using sprint brushes and medium hard springs and going for 19 or 18x90.
good luck
Phill

[trekkker]

thanks for the info,would indoor at watford be drastically different,trekkker

[TimG]

Trekker,

I would start with 20/92 on a 12T and around 18/92 on a 10T at Watford, but that is in a XXX4.

HTH

[trekkker]

cheers luckily its going in a xxx4 trekkker

[Ben Turner]

Any news on when the Surikarn Edition is coming out?

Ta
Ben

[jrhodes1987]

Just got a 13x2 damn sweet i tell ya well done peak!! (as previously said!!)

seemed to getfaster thhroughout the day too. why is that?

[Eirik Andreassen]

Hello John,

The motor is getting faster as the brushes wear inn!
It normally takes a couple of packs before they are perfectly run inn...

Cheers,
Eirik

[Ben Turner]

Just a bit of info for those who dont know it already (ive only found out myself), about the surikarn edition motor.

Sprint brushes
3.5mm squel armature (opposed to 4 on the touring, 5 on the mod)
5 marks of timing standard setting
Medium spring

Apparently the smaller comm is meant to give the effect of having slightly more brush wrap to give more rpm. The squel arm sounds like it has angled slots in the comm so it doesn't have any dead spots on the comm. Sounds fast, but im not sure about the 5 marks timing! :o

Ben

p.s. Ive just found this pic of the comm, (courtesy of overrc.com)
http://www.overrc.com/courses/courses2004/dhicup2004/v2orion1.jpg
looks interesting!

[alan1467]

Hi
Just received my new 12x1 Peak NICE MOTOR. Anyone give me a starting ratio for a EVOIII??

Many Thanks
Alan

[Ben Turner]

What size track are you running on?

Ben

[alan1467]

the track is about the same size as the old stafford track

Alan

[Ben Turner]

Im not absolutely sure on that sort of track, but i would try something like 7.1-7.2 overall ratio (havent got an evoIII so im not sure what pinion and spur).

hope this helps
Ben

[Kev Cooke]

What is the significance of the HT, HS ?

i.e. Vantage Modified 12x2 HS

[Doomanic]

High Speed
High Torque

The two types of motor will have different wire and stack size.

[Kev Cooke]

I'm a newbie, but i still should have worked that out, D'oh.

Anyway i'm thinking of getting one but i will be using it in Both a XXXS and a B4, what should i be getting HS or HT or is there a standard version available?

[burgie]

kev - I would have thought that the HT would be more suited to 4wd, with it having more low down power, so it may not be as well suited to a 2wd buggy. I stand to be corrected though.

[Dan Reynolds]

i have the 12x1 ht in my xray evo 2 and its brilliant, i have never tried it in my B4 though, we need to find a buggy race to ask

[Ben Turner]

For some reason the Ht (high torque) version is meant to be for larger tracks as it has more top end then the Hs (High speed). I havent got a clue why theve done it that way and not the other way round?

Ben

[Dan Reynolds]

its a smallish indoor carpet track i race at, i was told that the ht is best for that and the hs is best for large outdoor tracks ???

[Ben Turner]

well it should be, but if you go on the orion forum, you will see it explained. Wierd way of doing it if you ask me ::)

Ben

[scott taylor]

i know wierd

but they are really quick deffinatley one of the best modified motors i have ever used

[Ben Turner]

yea be even better if you could finish the race! ;D
Wasnt the motors fault tho!!

ben

[scott taylor]

no the motor was great

[John Davie]

Anybody know where they have these motors in stock, im after a 12x1 HT or maybe a HS if need be.

Please pm me with details , DO NOT post shop names etc on here.

[Kev Cooke]

Are there only HS and HT versions available of is there a standard version?

[Ben Turner]

The Ht and Hs 12x1's were primarily designed for places where they run to a 12 turn limit. All the others only come type (a "standard" type) eg. everyone apart from the 12x1's. If you want to get a "standard" version, and not a Ht or Hs, i would go for either a 12x2 or 12x3.

hope it helps,

Ben

[Kev Cooke]

Cheers, Ben.

Anyone tried one of the Vantage Touring Surikarn Edition ones yet ?

[RickyRah]

Just a quick question:

What wind (Vantage) would you recommend for 4WD off-road for use in the forthcoming outdoor season? Considering this year i've mostly been running a Core 10x3 and would like a little more speed.

Any thoughts would be most appreciated

[scott taylor]

i dont think that the surikan edition is out yet but i might be wrong

they look really good though well if the normal Ht is that quick then the surikan should just be silly speed ;D

[richard_cree]

Just a quick question:

What wind (Vantage) would you recommend for 4WD off-road for use in the forthcoming outdoor season? Considering this year i've mostly been running a Core 10x3 and would like a little more speed.

Any thoughts would be most appreciated



I would chose a Peak 10*2 for 4wd, its a bit more lively than the triple. Also you can use your 10*3 arm in the new motor. It will feel identical to your old motor exiting tight corners, but have far more mid and top end power.

[tyreman]

Just a quick question:

What wind (Vantage) would you recommend for 4WD off-road for use in the forthcoming outdoor season? Considering this year i've mostly been running a Core 10x3 and would like a little more speed.

Any thoughts would be most appreciated


I run a 10x1 in my XXX4 and the speed is is not that different from the carrera 10x2 but the main difference is that you can do the whole day without a skim or rebuild and maintain the same speed throughout the day

[Kev Cooke]

Has anyone used one of the Touring specific Vantage's as i'm thinking of getting one, i assume they would be the same as the Vantage Modifieds apart from providing slightly more "oompf" but any clarification on this would be great.

I race my XXXS G indoors on a small - medium carpet track

[Ben Turner]

Yes you are correct. The normal mods are designed to be very smooth for in low traction conditions, where as like you say the touring series have a bit more oomph, too take advantage of the higher traction conditions.

Ben

[jrhodes1987]

a great motor!!

owever i just chipped a bit of the copper with around the brushes off so the brushes started pinging out. i think it is ok as i have folded the copper over a bit. But it is v annoying.

john

[Ben Turner]

Ok, i see that the Surikarns are popping up in modelshops, whats the verdict then?

Ben

[Ian s]

Has anyone else had problems with the brush hoods bending when being T-boned? My brush hoods are so bent out of shape they wont hold the springs in anymore and so im going to have to try a traditional endbell on it. Anyone with any ideas on how to protect the motor a bit more in the mission?

[Doomanic]

Glue some high density foam to the bodyshell so the motor is better protected.

[jrhodes1987]

Yeah that is exactly the problem i had - but, in my losi xxx they get chipped and mangled - luckily mine are still ok ish so i can just bend the cpper over to keep the springs in

john

[Harjit]

Use a 540........there faster

[Ben Turner]

Have u actually raced :o

Ben

[Mark Stiles]

Depends how you interpret his comment.

I race mardaves, and we have found that the mabuchi 540's are actually faster than a 27T stock when running on 4 CELLS. We think its because the mabuchi motors are actually 22T (even though they are sealed and have naff brushes)

I have just ordered a peak vantage 9x2 for my 1/12th circuit car. I'm trying it on sun, so I'll post my thoughts on here afterwards.

[Ben Turner]

I think that 9x2 will be faster then a 540 though ;D

Ben

[jrhodes1987]

hmmm well isnt all this very confusing

any chance of talking bout peak vantages??

lol

john

[Mark Stiles]

Ask me again on sunday, when I've had a chance to run the motor! ;)

[Oliver]

Last week Ryan Coxall was trying one fo the Peak Surikan specials - it was a 12x1. The car was absolutely ballistic. The motor came back VERY hot, but showed very little comm and brush wear.

This was a reasonably tight carpet track with a fast outfield - it was geared 23/88 in a XXXS (gives a ratio of 7.00)

Seems nice to me!

[Kev Cooke]

Christ Mark !

A 9x2 in a 1/12th, if that was me i'll end up taking my car home in bits after the first corner.

[burgie]

ROFLOLPIMP! I can only imagine Kev, what you would do with a 9 in your car. I remember the carnage when you hit the wall with a 13 in it . . . . . Apparently the structural engineers say the wall will be OK, now they have laid the foundations again!

[Mark Stiles]

I run an orion core 12x2 at the moment, but the car feels like it wants a bit more. I would have bought a 10, but I thought that as cells get more advanced, and higher capacities start appearing, people will start to use "hotter" motor winds. So its more in anticipation than anything else! ;D

[STEPHEN E]

Im thinking of getting a 12x2Touring but have never run a mod motor before so i have no idea of gearing it.
Im running a xray with a reedy quad mag 19t at 6.8 for the track i run on.
So from the 19t gearing can anyone tell me where i should be looking at for a 12double.
Many thanks.

[Mark Stiles]

Looks like I won't be getting my 9x2 for this weekend. The model shop I ordered it from said they had some peak vantages in stock, but obviously no 9x2's! I just hope they get one in before the wickham 1/12th national! Fingers crossed! :-

[John Davie]

Having just ordered a Hara edition 12x1 and having never used a mod motor before i need some gearing advice for running at Ashby, dunno if it is the HT or HS version as i was in a hurry and forgot to ask ::).

Does the led in the endbell act as a schottky diode or is an external diode required?

[Ben Turner]

The circuit board acts as a led and a capacitor board, so you will still need to run an external diode.

Ben

[Mark Gilliland]

Somebody pm me with details of who has them in stock!

Prefer Peak touring edition!

Cheers

Mark

[Mark Stiles]

I ended up getting a vantage 10x1 in the end, as I couldn't get hold of a 9x2.

Well, what can I say? Its a superb motor! The only trouble I had was the fact that my car was dumping before the end of the race (1/12th circuit). I went down several pinion sizes, and still couldn't last! Although I changed my gearing by quite a bit, my lap times changed very little and the cars top end power was reduced by only a small amount! I don't have any smaller pinions, so I'm going to put a 12x2 armature in the can instead...... I might last 8 mins then!

I would recommend the motor to anyone. Even with a really low gearing, it was miles faster than my other motors! ;D

[Ben Turner]

What spring were you runing mark, i had a 12x1 with light springs and could go for 9 minutes. Like you say they go like rockets!!

Ben

[Mark Stiles]

I have the std. springs (medium I think).

As you say, you could last 9 mins on a 12x2. I'm talking about a 10x1, which drinks the juice a lot more! I can last well over 8 mins on a 12x2, but if I can I'd like to try and last with the 10x1, as it is soooooo fast! ;D

I assume you mean you can last 9 mins with a 1/12th car, not a touring car! ??? ;D

[Eirik Andreassen]

Mark,

You should reduce the Timing to 18deg. and use the Soft springs!
One tip, you could try to cut a couple of coils off the springs to reduce the brush pressure!
This will give you allot more runtime!!

Cheers,
Eirik

[Mark Stiles]

I might try it. Cheers

[Mark Stiles]

I borrowed a pack of cells off of someone, and easily lasted the race yesterday, so I think its my cells that are the problem.

The vantage gave me over 2 tenths of a second per lap over my old orion motor, and I was nowhere near getting the most out of it with gearing, springs etc... Very impresive! ;D

Just gotta find me some decent batteries before I race again this weekend! :(

[andrew swanson]

The standard springs are Med/Hard springs in all the peak and orion motors!

As for timing each mark on the sticker represents 6 degrees or its suppossed we have had a little difficulty with our graphics peolpe here at peak so the marks are closer to about 5 degrees. The factory timing is meant to be 18 degrees but is closer to 15 degrees.

hope this helps everyones standard spring and brush questions.

Andrew Swanson
PEAK/XRAY/RENBLAST GRAPHICS/TEAM HOMIES

Also if you are having trouble keeping the springs in try opening the large end of the spring a little bit with some needle nose pliers. (IT DOESNT NEED MUCH) but this will help.

[Glenn Atterton]

Philippe Neidhart
The first big races for 1/12th will be in Cleveland, we will have some good informations after this meeting. But from what I know you can use 9 turns, soft springs and sprint brushes.

If you wait a little we will have some good feedback from David very soon.



What news on setups of these motors do you have following the Cleveland event Philippe ?