NEW TOURER _ ANY NEWS?

well guys ?

Have schmacher canned the idea or is there more news?

[bob burr]

Maybe there working out where to put the propshaft ;D ;D ;D ???

[MattW]

No it's not been canned, it is still under depelopment. The pics on the site only show an early proto that is not the finished car.

If you check back on the Schumacher site you will see that Jonas Andersson has signed for Schumacher and was running a proto of the car at the CS open in Germany last weekend.

[Luke Hobson]

how did he do??

luke

[MattW]

Made the A but can't remember where.

[dhamblin]

7th I think

[bob burr]

To be honest it doesnt matter if Schumacher take another 6 months before its released, as long as when it is its completly new.
The reason is we are now into the winter and as long as its out for april 2004 and the start of the summer thats fine, in all honesty no one really remembers who won any particular winter series indoors or out, so why rush ?.
Can you name the winners of last years different winter series ?.

[dhamblin]

http://www.rctech.net/events/chicago2003/pics_1024/chicago2003_schumacher_mission2a.jpg

8) ;D

[damo]

oooo that looks pretty lol...seems similar to something else ive seen tho..kinda like the sst....
and the servo arm looks like its sticking out a little to far ..kinda an obvious looking crunchy bit...

[DA_cookie_monstA]

it has threaded shock bodies, I hope they offer noraml bodies as an option too....

[dhamblin]

http://www.rctech.net/events/chicago2003/pics_1024/chicago2003_schumacher_mission2c.jpg

http://www.rctech.net/events/chicago2003/pics_1024/chicago2003_schumacher_mission2b.jpg

http://www.rctech.net/events/chicago2003/pics_1024/chicago2003_schumacher_mission2d.jpg

8) ;D ;)

Note movable battery tray...!!

And its just the angle of that picture that makes the servo arm stick out ;)

[DA_cookie_monstA]

Don't get too exctied by the moveable battery tray, that may just be there so they can optimise the battery placement for the final production version.

RW spur I noticed though.....

[nitro-head]

but ti would be good if they had a 7 slot battery thing similar to tc3, xxx-s etc, etc if you get what i mean.

[MattW]

To the best of my knowledge the servo arm isn't drastically different to the mission, if at all.

The shock bodies should be the same as the current ones, so both types of bodies should be available, don't know what will be in the kits.

I suspect the spur gear is 64dp, Schumacher don't make them so they would have to use someone elses!! The car that is running in the UK had a schumacher 48dp gear on it last time i saw it.

7 cell slots was planned for the mission (look at the cad drawings in/on the manuel ;) ) but i think it was a bit of a compromise and caused other problems and so they went with 6.

[Luke Hobson]

i don't care if it has threaded bodies or not it still looks a work of art and is going to be great.

luke

[rice98w]

i want carbon, threaded bodies, ti- turnbuckles, ally motor mount, 48dp gears but Rw ones...not the standard shuey ones...the stuff we (basically) all of us do to the cars straight off.

its well annoying buying a car...then you need threaded bodies, turnbuckles and everything else to make it into the car it "should" have been straight away.

car looks good, i've seen one....looks VERY special indeed. always have been a sucker for schuey tourers...... ;D

[DA_cookie_monstA]

Matt, I think you will agree that no matter WHAT car you buy, and what spec, you ALWAYS end up buying something for it, to make it your own.

I don't begrudge buying spurs, as they can be transferred, it is when you by what is marketed as a competition kit, and you have to go buy the basics, like Titanium hinge pins/turnbuckles, tungsten diff balls, ball race the steering.

So, as long as it comes with the Ti pin & buckles, carbon chassis and bits, I don't really care if it has a Schuey spur, or standard shock bodies (prefer them in fact), everything else is an extra.

Garaunteed those who have bought B4's are probably changing things to their own taste.

[rice98w]

i agree totally mate...so long as i dont need to buy the fundamentals im not totally fussed.

the mission is the best so far for including things...ally motor mount and b/b's for steering...however still VERY poor quality turnbuckles and pins >:(


hopefully they'll get it spot on this time ;)

[DA_cookie_monstA]

Thing is Matt, it isn't an expensive car, and I DO remember the cost of Schuey alloy mounts when they first came out for the Cat 2000... about £70, so, you want to have the car cheap(ish), you want the alloy mounts, and Ti buckles and pins, as long as the pins are smooth, and the buckles got a fineish thread, if they are a little rough around the edges, who cares.

As long as they do there job, that is really all that matters. Yes they could be nice and shinny, I got a XXXS G+ at the moment, prefer a mission, can't afford one, I think the XXXS G+ is a master of moulding, but I see through all the hypes and wonder why they bothered., it saves no weight, as that centre tunnel is heavy, and alloy bits, WHAT alloy bits.

[bob burr]

Hope they do change the steering, its one of the worst bits on a schumacher car, after a few weeks they always have loads of play in all the posts and joints etc.

[MattW]

Shock bodies will always be a personal preference, i know a couple of people that really don't like threaded ones.

The steel turnbuckles and pins are good quality in my personal opinion. They are easily adjustable and reasonably strong. Yes i have titanium on mine but i wouldn't say that it is absolutely necessary.

Bob, What play, where?? There can be a little in the ball joints (not in my Tir ones ;D )but can't think of where else.

[bob burr]

The 2 main steering posts locate in the top deck and have play from new as a rule, they should be bolted direct to the chassis like a Yok, then the link between gets play very quickly.
Not having a go but if the car is going to do any good in a very competitive market eg new HPI Pro 4 out any time, TC3 still winning top events, it needs to be spot on, im afraid not bad, or pretty good wont do any more.

[MattW]

I know what you are saying, but personally i don't find it a problem. In fact on one of my cars i drilled the base away so that there was less holding the posts and they could move around a bit. I personally don't feel that it does any harm.

[bob burr]

Like i said OK is no good anymore, as a motor mechanic who saw the british motor industry die becase they thougt it OK to charge extra for radios, wheel trims, even seat belts, and then the japs came along and showed us how it should be done.
Scale TCs are now geting state of the art design, you only have to listen to rumers about a new TC3 ? new X Ray etc, i love Schumacher and would hate them to rush it out just to please a few, better wait and get the WHOLE car right.

[MarkB]

Steve Pole gave the Mi2 prototype its BTCC debut at Ashby yesterday, and claimed the modified pole. Shame a sticking brush denied him a chance of the A-final win.

Lots of interest in the car, this being the first time many had to see it in the flesh. Looked exceptionally good on the track, especially changing direction in the notorious Ashby race-control chicane.

Cheers
MarkB

[Matt Bridge]

Well the first production Mi2 will be being tested at West Bridgeford by Andy in the next couple of weeks !! So there is some news for ya !

Matt

[al]

any more news anyone have they got a rough date or anything or latest pics.

[bob burr]

Iv heard from a very good source that is should be about Xmas when it is released, before or just after.
Looks like you will be geting the fully adjustable battery tray aswell, i think they want to make sure everything is right this time, so if its feb or march it doesnt matter as long as the car is right when its released.

They should also include RW diffs, the last mission was a bit stupid because i payed out £220 and got schumacher diffs were as the £150 (these where the prices at the time) car came with all RW pullies all through, i was a bit pissed at that, didnt make no sence at all.

[al]

have they changed much on it recently ???

any latest pics ?

[MattW]

be patient...........and it will come ;)

[al]

but but.........

ok then
lol

cheers al

[Matt Bridge]

First car off the line next week. Release date then pending final testing but orders and limited deliveries should be being taken by shops pre christmas. Pics of first prod car will be avail on certain website as soon as it gets off the line

M

sounds good, ill look on the schumacher site now ;D

[Matt Bridge]

Mark

prototype pics only on the Schuee site at the min
Matt

i couldnt find them. Where are they?

[al]

try the news section there is a pic there that is where i saw it. a touch hard to find a first,

cheers al ;D

[MattW]

There is a new CAD style picture in the news section of the Schumacher site.

[dhamblin]

Nice, very nice! 8)

that looks very very nice. looks like the camber will be easyer to ajust as they are turnbuckles instead of then lil anoying holes.

[rice98w]

hope they keep the adjustabvle battery tray, threaded shocks, blue seal bearings (look closely!), and all that purple.

and i hope they use the camber links on the shock mount instead of bulkheads..

looks about perfect from that CAD picture

[MattW]

Matt

As far as i know, what you see on the latest CAD pics should be quite close to what you get. There is still some final testing planned, but i think the cell tray is staying, as are the blue sealed bearings (most of the missions going out now have these as well), bulkheads/gearbox sides are going to be alloy and i think those shocks are staying (don't hold me to that!!)

Inner Camber links are on the shock mount.

[Mark McCulloch]

Does that mean that underneath the cell tray there will just be a big massive hole in the chassis?

Mark

Seems so, How are the batterys ajustable?Will it be a seperate tray that screws on to the chassis and has slots it can slide accross?

[Garry]

Judging by the logo, it looks like its going to be quick!


Anyone know what the 'I' stands for in 'MI2'?

[DA_cookie_monstA]

How about Mission 2, which sounds a bit naff, so why not shorten it to Mi2

[James Newbould]

So does anybody have any idea when its coming out?

[Garry]

Shouldn't it be 'M2'?

It'll be out before Christmas I guess.

I have heard its coming out either just before christmas or for the new year.

[MattW]

I don't have a firm date so can't help.

Mark L, Yes there is a big hole below the cells. I think there is slots in the tray where it screws to the chassis. This allows it to be slid in and out from the centre line. I think you can then take the tray out and turn it round to more the cells back to front.

That is a good idea, kind of like the tc3's with the 7cell holes so you can ajust the balance of the car, i sopose this will be better because you can "tune" you car so to speak but with the tc3 you only have 2 options.

[rice98w]

Matt

As far as i know, what you see on the latest CAD pics should be quite close to what you get. There is still some final testing planned, but i think the cell tray is staying, as are the blue sealed bearings (most of the missions going out now have these as well), bulkheads/gearbox sides are going to be alloy and i think those shocks are staying (don't hold me to that!!)

Inner Camber links are on the shock mount.

sounds too good to be true! my mission came with really crappy low quality bearings... i got some decent ones for it from a local bearing manufacturer. what are these "blue" bearings like? i take it you have been running them matt?

this car sounds killer... think schuey are onto a winner ;D

cheers
matt

p.s. where are them pictures of the ACTUAL prototype? i know i have seen them somewhere but i want another look! i thiunk it was a report from a big euros or something.. anyone got a link?

Matt, there is photos of it on the team orion website, but the new computer pictures are much different.

[MattW]

Matt, Yes i have been running the blue sealed bearings, they seem to be very good.

The only "actual" proto pics are on both the Schumacher site and the orion one for the Euros report.

however that car still has the mission gearbox sides and a seperate bulkhead.

Do you think that they have actualy made a roling chassis or just done it on the computer?

[MarkB]

See the "Ask.." thread - I've been using the blue bearing for a while now, and they really help in stock racing. Best bit is they are cheaper then the originals, and easier to clean out.

I took some pictures of the Mi2 prototype at Ashby for the RRCi write up of the final BTCC round. That was the same chassis Chris Ashton took to the Euros, as it had the scrutineering seal on the chassis.

Cheers
MarkB

[MattW]

There are cars about like the "real" pics on the site, somewhere in the region of 7 i think (worldwide). From a handleing point or view it would probably be the same as the "CAD pic" car.

Is there one like the latest CAD pics?? I think i know the answer, but not being totally sure.................

Im shure the newest pics are the ones on the schumacher website on the newest car on the front page.

[MattW]

Check out the Schumacher site, there are all the new pics of the "actual" new car.

[rice98w]

top man!

cheers mattw :D

[rice98w]

NOW THAT is exactly what i wanted schumacher to produce.... top job guys.





i am definatly getting one now! ;D ;D

[gatesy]

Now im wondering whether I made the right decision in ordering a Mission Carbon on wednesday! ??? :-[

[rice98w]

gatesy i have one for sale... check out my post in the for sale section ;)

[gatesy]

Sorry man it will arrive tomorrow!! But if you've got any nice shiny aluminium bits..... ;) :P

:'( im getting a lathe so i wont have no money for a while :'(

[steven252]

what i want to know is will it be coming with those cr*p plastic drive shafts, i think it is from the pics

steven

[rice98w]

i find the driveshafts excellent personally, the aluminium/steel ones tend to bend and are heavier.

and the "blades" are an excellent idea.

[gatesy]

Well my current set of plastic driveshafts have lasted for about 6 months now, I changed back to them from steel because i noticed the bends in them!!

I am shure is said on the website that it will be coming with stell drive shafts. I think they solved the belt from vibrating when at full throttle with that other belt tentioner.

[MattW]

The Drievshafts coming with the kits are MIP axles with a composite bone.

There shouldn't be any real problem with plastic driveshafts. I have them in my car at the moment and some drivers have always used them, even with solid axles. Hey they used to use them in the Gas car 8)

[Adrian Heslop]

Now im wondering whether I made the right decision in ordering a Mission Carbon on wednesday! ??? :-[
:'(

I think you have made the RIGHT decision getting a Carbon Mission !, I expect the new car will cost around £250 so theres 100 notes saved
I'm really pleased with mine, I improved straight away! Handles like a dream ;D

Heres more details including cost etc

http://www.racing-cars.com/mi2.asp

[al]

im sure it will be arriving realy soon now ive been with schuie for about 4 years but ive had enogh of them and bought a losi purly and simply for a change and a better car !!!

al ;D

[Mark McCulloch]

The Losi is a good car mate, but now that i see these pic's i think i might have to go the opposite way from you!

Mark :P

when i see the pics i think :o i gotta send one of my cars to buy it tho >:(

[Garry]

An Mi2 is definatly going to be added to my collection of Schumachers (3 and counting!).

;D

[university_dave]

Nice to see they've got provision for sensible anti-roll bars on the new car. Lets hope it's a bit stiffer than the old car.

is it out now?

[MattW]

No unfortunately it isn't. Like i said before i can't confirm a date as i don't know one.

I would have thought that it would be out now. They must be letting every one see it first before they release it.

[James Newbould]

it says on the schumacher web site if you order it you will recieve it in december.

Sounds god. I would order mine but i got to raise some money by selling some of my cars. Might be a while yet :'(

[Barry_Hughes]

Mine is on order - on the site December Delivery, but just received the Schumacher Newsletter which quotes December/January Delivery, perhaps the orders are already mounting up, looks really good can't wait to get it

[Dave Treacy]

maybe it's "impossible" ?

Mission Impossible 2?

[bob burr]

OHHHH Davey boy !!! now the hate mail will start ;D ;D 8)

OHHHH Davey boy !!! now the hate mail will start

I put that ages ago and have no hate mail.................................yet ::)

[perkins1985]

Would i better off waiting to get the new mission or should i get a old one while they are at a good price!! Any suggestions would be great

[al]

well there is nothing wrong with the mission but if you can i would probebly wait, after all then you will have an up to date car !!!

al ;)

[Adrian Heslop]

Would i better off waiting to get the new mission or should i get a old one while they are at a good price!! Any suggestions would be great



Depends if you want to save £100 ! ???

Would i better off waiting to get the new mission or should i get a old one while they are at a good price!! Any suggestions would be great

Its totaly up to you. The currunt mission is very good, but can you wait untill December...maybe January for a new car?

[perkins1985]

thanks for the help, i think i will wait for the new one, how much is the new mission (the cabon one)

[gatesy]

250, I opted for the older mission carbon though, purely because its saved me 100!

You can get a decent wpeedo with the extra 100........if you had it in the 1st place!!!

[gatesy]

No I didnt, but the plan is to upgrade Elecs aswell as car, so the cheaper I could get a car for, the better the elecs i get will be!!

Fair enough.

[Paul_U]

found out today that the chassis has only just been signed off, and that the tooling for the hubs and rear body mounts havent even been produced, but still hopefully it will be released for x-mas

Paul

Hopefully it will still be out by xmas, i should get the money with a bit of luck!!!

[Garry]

With the extra £100, you could get the Warpspeed carbon kit.......I don't think it needs it. I'd rather get the alloy diff mounts and grey belts. :D

Get the ally hubs, they make so much defference and you and do the thread in on the bottom + they look great ;D

[sam c]

will it accept stick packs cause thats what i have??????? ???

[gatesy]

Certainly will, well I cant see why not, im ready to be corrected though!

I would think it you will be able to put the stick pack holders on like the current mission.

[colin_jackson]

the new car is finished and you can see it on the schumacher website! looks sweet i must say!! im having one!!

the release date has been set between middle to end of december i think . they must be wanting to have it out for christmas because of the sales push it would generate!!

well done schumacher for producing such a good car!! :)

Ill wait till january and get a cheap 1 in the sales ;D

[sam c]

if its out for christmas my nan said shed get it for me

Bit of an expensive pressie from a nan aint it?lol ;D

[sam c]

my nans really cool she said shed get it because its more up to date shes getting me the whole car wich should come to bout £390 or the carbon one

£390!!! I take it your getting motor, shell, batteries, speedo and radio with that. lol unless your getting the car and a very good speedo.

[sam c]

yea getting everything i need to race even tyre glue and motor cleaner!!!!!

[dhamblin]

You lucky devil! ;)

Just remember though: DON'T CRASH IT!!!

Saying it is the easy part :P

[sam c]

im going to try my best not to but in a race your going to inevetely crash whether its your fault or another drivers fault but fixing it is half the fun ;D

Every one crashes weather it be every second or once every year. It always seems to be beginers that have cars that never break no matter what. Its always good drivers that hardly ever crash that brake somthing the one time they do.

[MattW]

Another victory for the Mi2.

Teemu took victory at the Teem Orion speed weekend in Germany yesterday. Another Mi2 driven by Jonas Anderson was 7th.

;D Hope i have the same luck with my one!!!

Does any one know if there is more space beetween the holes and the chassis edge?

[Chris Kerswell]

There is pleanty on a Yoke :)

Yeah but i am buying the new schumacher thats why i asked :P

[al]

There is pleanty on a Yoke :)


i take it you are driving for jokomo then chris ?

AL ;)

[Chris Kerswell]

I certainly am, wondered how ling it would take for someone to notice that :o)

Chris

[bob burr]

Coming back to have another go at Bedworths winter series with the new car then Chris ;D

[Chris Kerswell]

hehe, this might be an option! - assuming they dont clash with WLRC, i really need tracktime with it so i might see you there :o)

[al]

I certainly am, wondered how ling it would take for someone to notice that :o)

Chris


so what if im a bit slow !!!

lol

AL

[Paul_U]

looking at the pics, there dosent seem to be many tuning options for the suspention on the shocktower, only 3 holes on front and 4 on back. only thing i can think is that changing 1 hole will have a big impact on handling

wat you reckon

[Chris Kerswell]

Nup - the top hole are a very subtle change to handling

[MattW]

Paul, If you settle on the right positions, then there is no need to make massive changes. Personally i can't remember last time i changed the rear upper position, (well over 1 year) changed the front one about 2 months ago, moved it by a massive 1 hole and have left it there.

Chris is right, moving 1 hole is only a fairly small change.

[Paul_U]

cheers, i just wondered how the mission has 5 holes, yet the pics only show 3/4,

i only change my position when i go to waford, most other tracks are middle hole

Paul

[dhamblin]

If you look closely though there are 3 holes on the wishbone itself for the ball stud. ;D

[MattW]

Paul, Yeah the mission does have 5 holes, and we have tried others that aren't on the std mount, but personally i always end up in the same holes, and i think generally that is the case now. Going inside on the shock mount is a real easy option, but doesn't generally make for a fast car.

[rice98w]

having now seen 2 prototypes of this car.... ME WANT ONE!!!

the car just seems really well thought out, i think that sometimes manufacturers sell you a raw deal.... but not with the Mi2!!! it just oooozed quality and adjustabilty.

mattw is spotted dog, they do have less upper suspension mounts but they have more lower.

i want one...now! ;D

[al]

they are much more thought out after seeing 2 prototypes, how much it has come on !!! :o

looks great ! ;D

I dont realy see the point of 5holes, i only ever used 3 at the most, i tend to change shock oil or springs instead. The second prototype looks quit a bit different to the 1st one, just proves they are actualy working ;D lol

[Garry]

The reason for 5 holes is simple.

The Mission was designed for different people, and different circuits. Not just the ones you race on.

:)

[gatesy]

Hey, Ive heard some rumours that the Mi2 has been delayed!! Anyone know if these are true or not? ???

No i havent heard nothing, nothing on the website either. Must be just a rumour.

[Paul_U]

it has all gone a bit quiet, so it could be possible,

Paul

[rice98w]

i heard it MAY be a bit later than anticipated... but they will still tyr and meet the deadline...

and dont look for any nmews on the website... they hardly update it anyway!

Its weird because they wont update it for a couple of weeks then put loads of new stuff on there. I think the only reason it will be delayed is because they havent produced enough.

[colin_jackson]

dont know when the release will be im guessing late Dec early January.

its not a bad thing if the car is delayed as you can be sure that schumacher will be improving the car even more in the extra time made avalible!

happy racing ;D

[KRob]

I have heard it is looking like a Jan release now, although they are trying for end of Dec.

[Martin P]

the earliest ive seen it advatised for is the 10th of jan.

I havent seen it advertised on any website apart from schumacher one, and havent seen a release date on no websites.....well not that i know of.

[Adam_Lock]

it's on apex website, but no price or no release date!!

[colin_jackson]

all right guys from wot information i have the car will be out bout the week after xmas! or early jan

hope this helps :)

Thats good news ;D

[Paul_U]

yep heard the same today ;D ;D 8) 8)

There are some photors of the MI2 in the racer mag (december) and it doesnt look like the photos on the schumacher site at all, has it changed again? Or was the mag made ages ago? ???

[MattW]

Are the racer pics from the Euros?? If so then it is the "interim" car that has the suspension geometry but the mission transmisison housings

[Martin P]

Theres also some in the jan edition of rrci (curent), it looks as if its guuna be great ;D

[Barry_Hughes]

I have mine on order, ordered some bits from Schumacher today, asked about delivery on the Mi2 and was told they are still hoping to get the kits out n December, if not by the 1st week January. This is also on the December Newsletter where they quote December/January delivery.

Whatever it looks good and can't wait to get my grubby hands on it.

Considering the wait on both the TC3 and Street Weapon & XXXS after intial advertising and the cars becoming available ::), it is not long to wait.

I think it might be from the euros. Looks like the very 1st prototype. Its got the quantum 2 on the same page so the news cant be that old!!!

[MarkB]

Found some photos from the Cleveland US Indoor nats, with lost of interesting detail on them. Shame I've forgotten where I found the link ???

That car did have what looked a lot like Tamiya shocks on it...each to their own I guess :P

MarkB

[MattW]

If the car had a Q2 in it, then i suspect that it is Neils Koonekoop's (probably spelt wrong!!) car, from the euros. It would therefor be teh same as the first pics that Schumacher released on their own site.

The Q2 wasnt in the car, it was in a photo just above the mission, looking closer its definatly the 1st prototype, looks exactly the same as the current one apart from a couple of changes.

[John_Parker]

There are many pictures at http://www.nashrcracer.com/cleveland2003/mi2/mi2.htm
Just click the numbered box links - The first two have the body fitted. Site's a bit slow.

[al]

ohh and theres more here

teemu leino
jonass anderson

www.overrc.com

they are all running the tamiya shocks , chris ashton had them on the other week too.
somthing to do with the schock travel !


cheers al ;)

[al]

Click on the hpi/orion cup 2003 !!

al ;D

[NashRCracer]

There are many pictures at http://www.nashrcracer.com/cleveland2003/mi2/mi2.htm
Just click the numbered box links - The first two have the body fitted. Site's a bit slow.


You would be slow too if you were getting 50.000 hits a day on a personal website. Hosting company even shut me down for a couple hours. I said bloody hell those Yanks! ;D

Actually if you go to the RC Rochester I think they have an article on the car. The pictures are theirs. I just borrowed them.

[MattW]

LOL, you did have some top coverage going at Cleveland though!!

I saw the new car (MI2) today at DMS, looks beter than the photos The tamiya shocks that they use are very smooth, feel briliant and the car on the straight seemed to be one of the fastest there :o

[colin_jackson]

i think youll agree the new car looks fantastic!!

and im happy ill be driving one next year!! ;D

Schumacher have got this car spot on by the looks of it and by what the drivers have said, it looks like the TC3's, yokomo's and Losi's are going to have somthing to keep up with.

[Mark McCulloch]

I take it from what is being said about the tamiya shocks they are an improvement. What are the reasons for running these on the car or is this what is being supplied with the new kits?

Mark

The reason is somthing to do with the the travel of the pistons or somthing like that, I havent felt the new schumacher shocks but the tamiya shocks are very good quality, they are very smooth.

[Oasis2003]

The Tamiya shocks are being used due to shock travel problems with early proitotypes. The released car will have Schuey shocks on. They all ran Tamiyas just so they could compare setups.

[colin_jackson]

yeh thats right. there was an issue with shock travel on the old car (mission 1). the new car comes with the normal schumacher shocks. the shock mount position has been made higher on the latest car so that this problem does not exsist anymore.

new car with schumacher shocks on was tested last week by andy wallis and he said "wow".

so i dont think there well be a problem! ;D. (oh yeh and those tamiya shocks are huge money)

[Mark McCulloch]

Thanks for clearing that up guys,

Colin, you say that the new car is coming with "normal" shocks on it. Do you mean the same ones that all schumachers up untill now have came with or is it still being supplied with a set of schumacher threaded?

Just another little question, I am new to driving a schumacher when i get my Mi2 so sorry if the question should be obvious to me. The screws look "star shapped" was the mission the same and if so can you tell me what new tools i will need to build the car up?

Thanks
Mark

[kit]

the screws are torx screws and I believe that the car will come with a driver for them.

[MattW]

I believe that it is coming with the threaded ones shown on the pictures. These are the same as the "normal" ones, just threaded!

The "TORX" screws were first used on the R12 gas car. The mission used posi drive - so i believe!! Mine had 2mm allen head screws from the day i built it! I think the car will come with a T10 driver for the screws.

[rice98w]

is T10 the same as a corally wrench matt?

[MattW]

yes

What has changed on the new schumacher shocks then? The only thing that you can realy see is different is that the shock colers are longer, have they got a totaly new way in which the oil is transfered?

[MattW]

and that is the only thing that is different.............

If i plug the 3 seperat wires on the TV will that make a difference?

[colin_jackson]

hi mark

think the past posts sorted your questions out about the screws ;) they well be torx screws size T10 and you will get a tool in the kit to build your car.

about the shocks on the Mi2, they will be the threaded. there is no difference to the original schumacher shocks that have been on the cars for along time.

hope this helps you out

colin

The only thing that is worrying is if they give you a tool for the torx screws might be low quality and would round them off, if this is the case do hudy or trinity make a torx driver that would fit them?

[marcoski]

I have yet to see a torx screw be rounded off, they have been used in the electronics industry for years now. I use torx drivers made by spiralux, available from farnell.

Ok, I saw a schumacher driver on sunday with the new car and i had a look at the underneath of the car and the screws kinda looked like alen key screws but with a star goind through it....if that makes sence?

[jason]

Mark,

Corally have been using Torx screws for years and supply a good quality driver in the kits it is also listed as a spare part.

Jason

Thats good to hear. Sounds like its one less thing to worry about then, rounding off screws that is.

[Tamiya_Racer]

i do also like the look of the new car. i think Schu have got this just spot on and its cool.

Only thing, its purple ( waits to be stabbed killed then eaten! :) )

What differences does it share with the TRF415?

anyone know?

thanks alot

Tarnjit

Whats wrong with purple ::)

[Tamiya_Racer]

its jsut so purpley

It looks beter than all black dull plastic tho.

[Tamiya_Racer]

heheh :)

Red still rules 8)

TRF shocks rules, they are incredibly smooth. I got some on my evo , also they are very consistant shocks if that makes sence.

So any idea about how it diffes from the 415?

thanks

Tarnjit

[B_Final_Bob]

Tarnjit, the difference is probably £200!

Must admit, the MI2 looks nice - looks like the TRF 415, which is basically the Tech Racing car.

I'm stuck between this car, the Triox Xplosion and a Corally Assasin!! :- :P Think i'll have to wait until Matt Rice and have a look at that! He only wants it so it'll match the colour of his Trinity 12th! ;)

[colin_jackson]

the new tamiya 415 does look nice but schumacher canned the idea first for the car! they didnt copy the tamiya only used the shocks off of one on the prototypes.

Colin Jackson
Team Schumacher

[rice98w]

hehehe!

the schuey cars are a real firm favourite in my book.

around me too, alot of people use them, infact the CandB models club is doninated by them!

corally assassin is a lovely peice of engineering, its stepped the level up (in my eyes) even more from the Xray.

never heard of a triox!

schumacher- good for spares, garaunteed to be fast, and its purple! ;D

oh... and the fact the cars match is a wicked bonus! :D

[Tamiya_Racer]

yup you are correct their matey BUT tamiya is blue ::)!

i mean like apart from the suspension is there anything different?

[Mark Christopher]

yup you are correct their matey BUT tamiya is blue ::)!

i mean like apart from the suspension is there anything different?

its name
its made in the UK
its got torx screws

dont tell me you can not see for your self!!

[Tamiya_Racer]

i cant see for myself

[rice98w]

LOL :P

yup you are correct their matey BUT tamiya is blue !

i mean like apart from the suspension is there anything different?
I thought tamiya was a move colour, kind of inbetween purple and blue....or am i thinking of a different tamiya? ::)

[Tamiya_Racer]

heheh naa , tamiya is either

light sky blue or sexy red

:)

Oh ok, i was talking about the carbon fibre shaft drive tamiya, the special edition one, its the "sexy red" colour lol.

[Tamiya_Racer]

yup yup thats what im driving at the moment expet alot more sexy red now, then it has out the box :)

just trying to do some research into other tourers at the moment just giveing thought to later next year u see

I know somone with one of them expensive tamiya's. He nearly has a heart attack every time he crashes lol, on sunday he lost a little blue alloy spacer that cost £10 for 7!!! He has bags of spares because they are so hard to get hold of. I worry enough with a mission and look how popular the spares are for them lol.

[Remo]

The Schumacher transmission uses one small belt to drive the rear pulley and the rear pulley drives the front via a long belt... the TRF-415 has a small belt to rear and longer to front hence its got 2 layshaft pullies so they are quite different. The early Tamiya 415 proto was a re-anodised TTech or what ever it was called... some cheek.... I believe the Triox Explosion is a Barracuda.... but in europe its called Explosion?

regarding Torx screws, you have to be a maniac to be able to strip them, it was, I believe, developed for machine driver assembly for cars at first due to their non-slip / rounded head properties and leave no marks on the head of the screw... a million miles ahead of Allen head which IMO is a flawed design due to the natural angle of the driver head encourages their rounding on heads....

Now Tarnj... stick you head back into the Tamiya corner!!!! ;)

[Tamiya_Racer]

thankyou Remo

your the man you answered my question!! after this yeah im going back to the tamiya corner!

PURPLE SUCKS HAHAHA
joke
lol im harsh

bye guys thanks for the info, im sure this car is going to rule

[al]

i take it you have never heard of yokomo then if you think schumacher is gona rule.

AL

[Remo]

Jokomo? Nah never heard of it.... ;)
can't wait to try the new Schu... its gonna be awsome...

[B_Final_Bob]

Jokomo, Brokomo, Slokomo... could carry on with more :-[ :-X

This Schumacher looks really top notch and is going to be a worthy succesor to the Mission which was probably the best handling car I ever owned. If only it was blue!

Matt, Remo is right the Triox is essentially the Alex Racing Barracuda, they have just got a UK importer and I have seen one first hand and they are a fine piece of engineering!

If Colin is right, I don't doubt him, the Tamiya is now a copy of two cars!!! The Tech Racing car and the Schumacher!

[al]

now now liam there is no need for that. we will see next time.....

al ;)


'tut novice' - lol

[Garry]

...........probably the best handling car I ever owned. If only it was blue!


Ask Remo where he got his Mission turned from purple to gold. ;)

must weigh a ton!!!! lol

[Tamiya_Racer]

Sorry Liam, your wrong their matey, Tamiya actually works with tech racing to create alot of their cars, such as the 414 evo 3 and now the 415, didnt "copy" them.

[BarnStormer]

If you think that the schumacher looks impressive then take a look at the HPI PRO 4.
The schumacher still looks like it will be there best car to date. The best schumacher car I drove was the sch 99 then the next best the axis.
Just my opinion though.

[Tamiya_Racer]

hmmmm dont agree with you matey but dont get me started !! lol

[colin_jackson]

hi luke dont be so confident about the HPI yet. the roll centers look to be a little off for my liking having seen the end prototype. the new schuy will be mint ;) ;) ;) ;)

colin

The HPI pro 4 looks very nice, all the companies are making the same kind of car, the yokomo SD is based on a TC3 and the pro 4 is near enough the same as the yokomo, shumacher have stuck to belts which i think is good.

[colin_jackson]

it would be so funny if the next assocciated touring car was belt driven (heard the rumours yet???)

will find out soon i guess

colin

[rice98w]

LOL.... and if they did, would we see a |HPI pro-5, and a yok SD2!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D

I couldnt think how they could make a better belt drive car than the MI2. There shaft drive car had been at the top and stayed at one of the top cars on the market, I think they should stick to what they are good at. Just my opinion tho.
Mark

[Ben Turner]

I can remember when everyone was saying that belt was a lot better then shaft! Then someone released the TC3! LOL
Its going round in circles!

Ben

There are advantages of both belt and shaft. With shaft you dont have the hassle of belts wearing or snapping, thats about the only advantage of shaft! Advantages of belt....................... :-X ideas any one, I know there are lol.

[Phil C]

Another advantage of shaft is acceleration. Advantages of belt can be Better weight distribution (look at the pro 3) and erm........Thats all i can think of.
Phil C.

Advantage of belt, keeps your hands working in the cold when you have to strip your car and change one lol. ;D

[al]

a shaft drive car is noisey now thats a disadvantage !!! ;D

al :)

[Phil C]

I always thought noise energy wud be a waste of energy. if thats true maybe if a shaft drive car could be made quieter it wud be faster??
Phil C.

[MattW]

The biggest advantage of a belt as far as i can see is that there is no torque steer. Also the losses in a shaft system when you transmit power through 90 deg are horrendous (so i am lead to believe)

At the end of the day these are just 2 methods of transmitting power. I am not convinced that either is "wrong" or "right" just 2 different methods.

[B_Final_Bob]

An interesting thing about belt drive and shaft drive that was in Racer magazine this month was that belt drive would be lighter than shaft drive.

I drove a shaft drive car last weekend (Yoke SD) and although it was quite quick it didn't handle as nice as my old Losi and it did not like bumps in the track at all, even with soft suspension it just bounced over them, not absorbing them! Funny how i'm running a shaft drive car this weekend though :-

I drove a TC3 on friday, very nice car to drive. Cant realy compare to a mission as different people have different set ups, you could only realy compare them if you had a mission and a TC3 if you had one of each and put exactly the same electrics on them and ran the same body shell and tires, that way you could see how differently the cars handle.
Mark

[scoyle]

I drove a TC3 on friday, very nice car to drive. Cant realy compare to a mission as different people have different set ups, you could only realy compare them if you had a mission and a TC3 if you had one of each and put exactly the same electrics on them and ran the same body shell and tires, that way you could see how differently the cars handle.
Mark


I literally moved from a TC3 Factory Team to a Mission S1 last weekend (changed over my electrics, motor, cells and even shell). My thoughts are that the TC3 (and I believe shaft cars in general) seem to be a bit 'twitchy'. I think that belt cars are smoother and more predictable. Coming out of corners the Mission almost behaved in slow motion with the back end coming out controllably (I race indoors on a dym floor). With the Factory Team TC3 I was qualifying around the bottom of the B and sometimes in the C final in my club. With the Mission S1 I qualified second in the B last weekend ad I believe I could have been quicker.

I got the Mission S1 for indoors because of the flex and the grip given by the S1 chassis. I have now bought a carbon Mission as well, for outdoors I was that impressed.

And did I mention the price (a factory Team TC3 = £300, a Mission Carbon < £150)!!

[Phil C]

£300 seems a bit steep for a tc3 factory team ;) most places do them for around £250. The comparison you carried out still wasnt fair atall. You may hav had a fairly good setup on the mission and a poor 1 on the tc3. I read an article about comparing shaft and belt some time back. I think it was a hpi team driver who built a car which could run belt drive and shaft. He came to the conclusion that their were hardly any difference except:-
The shaft had faster acceleration but mild torc steer
The belt was slightly slower accelration, no torc steer, but, understeered like hell.
Ill try and find the site an post a link.
Phil C.

If you think about it there WAS only about a £50 price gap in beetween the carbon mission and the factory team, now the carbon is the same price as the standard TC3. HPI should have released that car that the driver built, would have been well good.

[Phil C]

Yea i was wondering y they just scrapped it. It looked soo good. Oh well.
Phil C.

When did all this happen Phil, I have never hear any one talk about it but then again I have only been racing 1year.

[MattW]

I suspect that you are talking about the car that Andreas Myrberg built. It was essentially the suspension from the HPI Pro 4 prototype (TC3) but with a 2? belt transmission system. The transmission is built up from some parts of the pro 3, some parts of the TC3 and probably some hand built parts. The motor is very close to the rear, and as close the the centre as possible, with 2 cells on the motor side and 4 on the oposite side.

He ran it at the Euros in 2002 as well as the Nordic champs in 2002.

The impression given is that the car is much more balanced that a shaft car, with more more grip and hence (initially without testing) understeer. The belief is that the grip is due to a little flex that is naturally in the belts.

At the nordics the car won, with a "std" HPI Prototype in second place.

The car then went back and was never actually raced again, eventually back to HPI and dismantled!

Obviously Andreas Myrberg prefered a belt car, as he is now with X-Ray. ;)

The info was all posted on the RC Zone site a couple of months back.

Belt must be the prefered transmission then!!!

[Phil C]

I knew i wud find it
http://www.rczone.net/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=432

That car looks nice. Doesnt look home made at all!!! :o

[scoyle]

I will come clean and admit that my TC3 setup may have been a bit suspect ( I bought a TC3 and a nitro Team Magic around the same time and raced the G4).

But I will say that I have, within the last year, had a XXX-S, a TC3 and now the Mission and my best results have been with the XXX-S and Mission, both belt driven cars.

The Mission was kit standard'ish and ran easily as good as the TC3.

Oh and the prices I quoted were retail prices - wouldn't want to pay those ;-)

[Phil C]

To be honest i rekon its personal preferance. Some like shaft some like belt. I am a shaft man. ;D

[Craig]

I am a shaft man.

No comment

[rice98w]

ROFLOL

i think the smartest thing is what mattw said


At the end of the day these are just 2 methods of transmitting power. I am not convinced that either is "wrong" or "right" just 2 different methods.

this is totally right... but i prefer belts. i had a TC3 for a VERY short while.... that didnt last long! ;)

The only shaft drive car I ever had was a tamiya TLO1 which I didnt like at all. I will be sticking to belt drive cars now for a long time!!!Happy christmas every one! ;D

[Phil C]

shaft man i do feel silly ;) Yea but mark it was a tamiya.

Yea but mark it was a tamiya.
Fair enough lol ;D

[Mark McCulloch]

I ran a TC3 in 2002 and then a XXX-S in 2003 and to be honest i also prefered the belt drive car. I never once had to replace a belt on the Losi (the old blue one) which i found quite surprising. I cant wait to get my hands on the Mi2 and from seeing missions on the track i am sure the new car will be nice and quick and very very stable.

Mark

[Phil C]

The MI2 does look amazing. I wudnt mind 1 to be fair.

The losi wouldnt realy have any belt damage because it is totaly covered in. The MI2 is a bit like the mission, liable to get stones caught in it.

[Mark McCulloch]

Does anyone know where i would be able to get purple turnbuckles from?

Thanks
Mark

[MattW]

According to the Last Schumacher News letter, their titanium is now going to be purple. I haven't personally seen any though.

[Mark McCulloch]

I think purple turnbuckles would just finish of an allready excellent looking car! Do you think the Mi2 will be supplied with them?

[MattW]

No. I believe that the Mi2 will be supplied with std steel turnbuckles, which will be silver. The Titanium ones will be seperate and purple.

[Mark McCulloch]

Aw well, at least they will hopefully be available!

Thanks for all the info
Mark ;D

It comes with loads of hop-ups as standard so buying a couple of turnbuckles is nothing realy, got to get them tho lol. :o

[colin_jackson]

yep the Mi2 comes with hi tenstile steel turnbuckles as on the car. the purple titainium ones are a hotup, the look dam gud dont you think

colin

[axpayne]

Does any one know if extra hubs will be required on the back so that the toe-in can be adjusted. From the pictures the forward pivot block looks like the one on the mission, so you will be able to have 2 settings with one hub, if you want to swap between inboard and ourboard toe-in. Or will the toe in work line the yoko?

[colin_jackson]

hi the way that it is going to work is that the car standered will have the option of 2 and 3 deg toe in. one way the blocks will give you 2 deg and the other they will give you 3deg toe in. you will beable to buy different blocks to have different settings.

hope this helps contact schuy for more info!

colin

[Remo]

C_J, are you talking about in board tow in blocks?
I have not been happy running inboard with the Mission ???